gosub
~#
like fuck am I giving him my email address
What stupid shit has Trump done today?
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maomao
普費斯
It's really not worth the time and effort with her but I think you've just found that out.
Cloo
Banana for scale
'Do you believe the Fake News Media?'
So not a leading question at all, then.
Unless there's a new channel called 'The Fake News Media' I've not heard of. If there isn't, there damn well should be
steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
'Do you believe the Fake News Media?'
So not a leading question at all, then.
Unless there's a new channel called 'The Fake News Media' I've not heard of. If there isn't, there damn well should be
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
If support for Sanders came from outside the Democratic Party, my suggestion would be that he build his base of support either within a different party, or found his own. I genuinely don't understand the obsession with dragging the Democratic party in a direction most members don't want, rather than trying to influence its direction by discussion, listening to the base and yes, compromise.
African Americans have a narrower range of experiences in America because of the constraints of white supremacy. There was literal segregation of public spaces and services that in parts of America that was still in place during my lifetime. There were "Sundown Towns" elsewhere, and "zoning policies" that barred Black folks from renting or buying in some areas. There were government backed programmes like New Deal and the GI Bill that weren't open to Black Americans, but set up a whole cohort of white blue collar folks with greater financial and social stability they could pass on through the generations. Many Trade Unions excluded Black workers, and shop floors were often segregated with jobs occupied by white workers attracting better salaries and conditions. Even now, we see white supremacy at work in the way communities are policed, how crises are managed (or not), how education is resourced, etc. White people, even those that are poorer with limited opportunities still don't suffer the limitations POC do within a white supremacist nation.
There is information out there that shows African Americans backed Clinton because they liked her policies and they generally aren't convinced by the message Sanders and his followers are giving out even now. For example, you've mentioned universal health care and free education. I've posted lots of links before, but it's not hard to find articles, blogs and social media discussions from African Americans explaining exactly why they aren't convinced by the "if it's good for everyone, it will be good for you" argument. History tells us that "universal programmes" can still exclude some people (see New Deal, GI Bill, etc.) and it tends to be the people who are already more advantaged get the most from these. And, you'll also see that they're not buying the idea that Sanders' approach will bring an end to structural racism or the mechanisms of white supremacy because well, they don't actually address them at all.
In a recent Ohio Rally, Trump said, "I think that the vast majority of Trump supporters are people who are in pain, who are struggling economically, who are worried to death that their kids are going to be in even worse shape economically than they are, and they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense." Back in March, he said, "Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don't agree . . ." He's has said similar things on other occasions. His continuing refusal to genuinely acknowledge and condemn the racism of Trump and his supporters undermines efforts to "reach out" to Black Americans.
You said, "Your suggestion they "prefer" Clinton sounds like bollocks and a lot of African Americans would have liked Sanders policies like universal health care and free education." Black voters aren't stupid. They understood the respective policies of Clinton and Sanders, and of Clinton and Trump and made their choices who to support accordingly. I'd suggest so long as Sanders fails to acknowledge the magnitude of white supremacy in the US and persists with the fantasy that universal social programmes and wealth redistribution will make that all go away, he's never going to get significant numbers of African Americans to back him. My worry is he's too afraid of alienating his own base of support, who either think the whole racism thing is over-blown and/or frankly don't want to critically examine their own part in perpetuating white supremacy. So, sadly, I think he'll still be chasing that unicorn disaffected, economically anxious, blue collar Trump supporter who just needs a bit of tlc and they'll convert the Sanders cause. Maybe someone will follow him who does have the have the courage to leave the comfort zone, but I'm not seeing signs of that yet.
I wonder if there will ever be a black president... oh, hang on...
Yossarian
⏭️
Yeah, I remember when Obama was elected and racism ended. Except maybe for that guy who was always going on about how Obama was not a real American at all but a fraudster who was actually born in Africa, whatever happened to him?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
He became president. You couldn't make it up, could you?
gosub
~#
Tbf was a common muttering that he wouldn't last a term without getting shot let alone two... US Dibble are good at some shit... Which is increasingly unfortunate
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Happy festivus, you dirty scab
It's been quite a year for you, CRI. As a strong minded poster, braving the ugly sniping from a shrill minority, some of whom used unacepptable language here. Shame on them. Keep up the posts and don't be intimidated.
(but the Democrats are a load of poo, mind)
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
If this is true, this a major thing but it's kind of been ignored (in comparison to his other fuck ups)
White House Denies Trump's Alleged Remarks About Haitian, Nigerian Immigrants
White House Denies Trump's Alleged Remarks About Haitian, Nigerian Immigrants
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Happy festivus, you dirty scab
It's been quite a year for you, CRI. As a strong minded poster, braving the ugly sniping from a shrill minority, some of whom used unacepptable language here. Shame on them. Keep up the posts and don't be intimidated.
(but the Democrats are a load of poo, mind)
Plugging one's fingers into one's ears is not being "strong minded", that's being wilfully blind. There's also nothing brave about that either.
Also, CRI has falsely accused multiple people of being racist, and still hasn't apologised to any of them. That's not strong-minded or brave either, but is in fact the mark of a coward willing to throw any shit in the hope that it sticks.
The fact that you're sticking up for this disgrace says a lot about you, none of it good.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
You're nothing more than a bullying gang of cunts.
Self-appointed mouthpieces of the working class? Fuck off, all of you.
Who on earth would want to be associated with such reprehensible behaviour?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
What bullying? What reprehensible behaviour? Can you point to even a single occurrence that was not done as a response to CRI 's own terrible behaviour?
Because all I've seen are people either trying to engage with her and being ignored, or people firing back after being subjected to false accusations of bigotry.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Goodwill to all
maomao
普費斯
not a trot
Well-Known Member
Goodwill to all
Goodwill to all cunts except for trump as he out cunts everyone.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
My politics are better than yours, waaah!
I'm going to get my mates after you, boo!
Merry fuckin xmas,bah humbug.
ETA:
Ok, that's not going to help matters much. Let me try again.
There's a lot more important shit going on than CRI's posts in this thread. Surely it's more important to digest and discuss the daily drip drip of Trump horrors that impact not just the US but the environment, the rest of the world and so on?
There's plenty of jaw dropping headlines all the time and going after one poster because her politics aren't as sophisiticated as the next person's is a bit pointless.
Yes, US Presidents don't have a particularly inspiring track record. Yes, it would be nice if there was an alternative to the Dem/Repub switcheroo but that's unlikely for now.
What can be achieved in the meantime, to bring about real change?
(I'm asking that one for my own curiosity as it's driving me to distraction)
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I can't speak for anyone else, but "sophistication" (whatever that is supposed to mean, I'd hardly call myself well-read politically) has nothing to do with the problems I have with CRI and her political fellow-travellers.
My problem is that liberal politics is as anti-working class as the Tories, we saw that plainly in the aftermath of the Brexit and Trump votes in which various "progressive" types threw their toys out of the pram and declared a majority of the electorate to be irredeemable "thickos" (or "deplorables" if you're American), as well as increased talk about requiring people to pass political tests in order to vote.
In other words, on many liberals the mask has slipped. Rather than face up to and examine the causes of why their political vehicles in the Clinton and Remain campaigns lost, they instead dropped the pretence of being in favour of democracy.
With CRI in particular, one of the problems I have with her politics is the way she writes off entire populations as irredeemably bigoted, now and forever. If people like her are not even going to attempt to build bridges within a working class that has been divided against itself by its class enemies, then they are part of the problem, not the solution.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
genuine lol
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