What no Sean Penn and Falklands thread?

[likesfish]

Argentina is apprently demanding 3 weekly flights from Argentina to the Falklands.
At first this looks like a good idea but considering the don't want to talk to the Falklands Goverment.
It's just another excuse to be dcks.

 

[JHE]

GGG went out of his way to be a right arse, with his lasciviousness and boasting. He'd have the lovely Mrs Kirchner sorted out in an afternoon. Phwoarrrr! He even roped in the grotesque Andrew Neil as a partner in pervvery. He did it all to be entertaining, of course.

Leaving that aside, I'm sorry to say I think GGG raised two important issues: 1. British capacity to defend the Falklands and 2. Latin American support for the Argentinian claim

1. I don't know whether that capacity exists at the moment. The defence establishment says it does. However, even if that is true, there is no reason to think it will remain true. Without the military power to protect the Falklands, will Britain have any option but to negotiate with the Argentinian government (and from a position of weakness)?

2. Argentina is trying to organise an anti-British boycott and may have some success.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

2. Argentina is trying to organise an anti-British boycott and may have some success.

I'm not convinced that the rest of South America is interested in pissing off the EU.

 

[SLK]

I've been to the Falklands. I spent most of my time at Mount Alice, basically a radar with 34 people working on it and three bars. They track the Argentinian planes that take off twice a day, circle the no fly zone, and go back. Even when I was there - years ago - they were convinced that another war could happen tomorrow.

I met a farmer who lives miles from anyone else. He wants the Falklands to be British obviously - he's unsure of what it would mean for the land he works if he's not. I met lots of people in Stanley, but I've no idea on their views as I generally just wanted to talk about interesting things like the clearing of the landmines, the totem pole, and howcome they have so many pubs that no-one visits. The self-determination argument is pretty weak though and has an obvious contradiction. Given that the British military maintain their numbers as being just a few less than the number of civilians (that it had to be less was one condition of the end of the war if I remember correctly, and that's about 2000) the cost of the operation there must be huge.

Besides, I understand they still haven't worked out the technology to get the oil, though I think they have a theoretical model - whatever that means. If that's going to be decades still surely Britain can't defend it for that long.

 

[Teaboy]

Leaving that aside, I'm sorry to say I think GGG raised two important issues: 1. British capacity to defend the Falklands

1. I don't know whether that capacity exists at the moment. The defence establishment says it does. However, even if that is true, there is no reason to think it will remain true. Without the military power to protect the Falklands, will Britain have any option but to negotiate with the Argentinian government (and from a position of weakness)?

The BBC suggests that the defences on the Island today are pretty formidable:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17157373

For any invading army to be succesful they would have to capture the air base at Mount Pleasant and given the radar situation they'd be seen coming from many miles away. Throw into that mix the very dated and basic military hardware the Argentinians have it'd be a suicide mission.

The only thing that would change this is if Britain decided it could no longer afford the aribase and garrison, but given the posturing at the moment that seems very unlikely.

 

[likesfish]

Exactly the Argentine military has very outdated kit and is in as much denial as are very own MOD.
Wibberling about developing nuclear power plants for its Half assembled submarine when it can just about afford a corvette.
The t45 destroyer alone carries more missiles than Argentina has fast jets.

All the daily mail plans for Argentina seize the islands involve somebody giving the argentine military a huge box of hi tech goodies and them evolving the skills to use it.
Without the British noticing and then the British being asleep and putting up no resistance.
Also when confronted with mass body bags going home to cry rather than going stark raving batshit.

 

[Idris2002]

GGG went out of his way to be a right arse, with his lasciviousness and boasting. He'd have the lovely Mrs Kirchner sorted out in an afternoon. Phwoarrrr! He even roped in the grotesque Andrew Neil as a partner in pervvery.

 

[Gingerman]

Private Eye's most published photo

 

[likesfish]

The British tried to hand the Falklands over to Argentina but everytime it looked liked the charm offensive was working.
Otherstuff would happen in Argentina rightly scaring the islanders in to not wanting anything to do with Argentina.

 

[Casually Red]

There were lots of mostly rather right-wing Yanks (of the sort who think they are Irish) who helped fund the Provos. The Provos put on their anti-communist face to talk to the Yank moneybags, just as they put on their left-wing face to talk to their British groupies.

It's good in a way that there are still Americans who want to speak for 18th century American republicanism against the British Crown, but it would be better if they actually found out a bit about the situations they feel so strongly about.

talk about stereotyping . Not to mention the fact the stalinist officials were coining in millions over there too in the early 70s . For your information the head honcho in the fundraising gunrunning stakes over there was a chap called George Harrison.

In 1938 he came to New York, working first as a bartender and then on the docks. He served in the U.S. Army during World War II in the Pacific Theater and later became a security guard for Brinks Armor. Working at Brinks for 30 years, he also fought for labor justice as a shop steward and union organizer.

George supported freedom movements worldwide. Of George it was said, "He never met a revolution he didn't like."

To George the fight for Irish freedom was one with the world struggle against imperialism and racism. He stood vigil every week outside the British Consulate in New York to support the Irish people. And he was at every march against war and racism or in solidarity with the people of South Africa, Palestine and Latin America.

In 1981 the Reagan regime prosecuted George, Tom Falvey, Michael Flannery, Paddy Mullens and Tommy Gormley for arming Irish freedom fighters. The "IRA Five" refused to deny the charges but waged a political defense. Witnesses on George's behalf included Irish leader Bernadette Devlin McAliskey and Sam Gulabe, United Nations representative of the African National Congress. (Dr. Gulabe, then known as David Ndaba, was a colonel in the South African army and physician to Nelson Mandela). The five were acquitted.

http://www.irishfreedom.net/Fenian graves/Harrison, G/George Harrison.htm

but it would be better if they actually found out a bit about the situations they feel so strongly about

aye, right

 

[Casually Red]

He may well lose this year.

actually he won with an increased majority , despite the opposition finally getting their electoral act together and uniting around one candidate

 

[Casually Red]

Chavez holds to higher electoral standards than many of the countries his detractors hail from, mind

such as those whos head of state is an unelected hereditary monarch for instance

 

[likesfish]

Timmerman is in london for malvinas week already refused to meet william hague as he had falklanders in tow.
So a complete fail as normal.

 

[Spymaster]

Timmerman is in london for malvinas week already refused to meet william hague as he had falklanders in tow.
So a complete fail as normal.

So the Brits have said "we'll talk to you if the Falkland's representatives are included" and the Argentinians say "no".

 

[likesfish]

http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/04...self-determination-for-the-people-of-malvinas

Now they come out with this classic apprantly the falklander islanders domt have any rights at all.

 

[Spymaster]

http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/04...self-determination-for-the-people-of-malvinas

Now they come out with this classic apprantly the falklander islanders domt have any rights at all.

Argentina will never accept the right to self determination for the people of Malvinas

Well that's them fucked then, isn't it?

Given that the UN resolution that they're always banging on about "negotiating sovereignty" expressly includes the statement that the wishes of the Islanders should be taken into account, they've shot their bollocks off with that one.

Way to go Argentina!

 

[likesfish]

Stupid stupid bastards

 

[Spymaster]

Where's Casually Red when you need him?

 

[dylanredefined]

Where's Casually Red when you need him?

Trying to denounce you to the red army of course

 

[Casually Red]

Well that's them fucked then, isn't it?

Given that the UN resolution that they're always banging on about "negotiating sovereignty" expressly includes the statement that the wishes of the Islanders should be taken into account, they've shot their bollocks off with that one.

Way to go Argentina!

no they havent . "taken into account" is nothing more than an aspirational clause . It means fuck all . Had they entered into negotiations where they recognised the Little inbreds as a seperate sovereign entity with a right to veto argentinian territorial untiy then theyd have shot themselves in the bollocks . The westminster government were engaged in a ruse whereby its own claims to sovereignty were being sandbagged by the inbreds little council, just as the unionists have been used in Ireland for the same purpose . It was a deliberate , and last minute attempt at a diplomatic ambush . Argentinas move there was spot on , the brits must have thought the argies were as stupid as the Irish .

 

[Casually Red]

Trying to denounce you to the red army of course

no need, the evidence is all stored on servers in the event they ever remobilise. To those who scoff id point out Volgograd was renamed Stalingrad just the other day .

 

[pocketscience]

no they havent . "taken into account" is nothing more than an aspirational clause . It means fuck all . Had they entered into negotiations where they recognised the Little inbreds as a seperate sovereign entity with a right to veto argentinian territorial untiy then theyd have shot themselves in the bollocks . The westminster government were engaged in a ruse whereby its own claims to sovereignty were being sandbagged by the inbreds little council, just as the unionists have been used in Ireland for the same purpose . It was a deliberate , and last minute attempt at a diplomatic ambush . Argentinas move there was spot on , the brits must have thought the argies were as stupid as the Irish .

Deluded fool!
If you think that Kirchner, or Timerman are acting in the interest of the Argentinian people, you really are showing your ignorance on the topic.
Nobody in Argentina is buying Kirchners bullshit any more. She's made land grab after land grab in the south, continually filling her private coffers in the process. She'll soon be toppled and it won't be pretty.
Once she's out the way, we wont here about the Falklands again until Argentinas next corrupt leadership comes under the same domestic political pressure in a few decades time.

What do you make of this?
http://rt.com/news/kirchner-president-public-argentina-527/
Social justice party my arse...

In 1992, Governor Néstor Kirchner and Provincial Deputy Cristina Kirchner intensely lobbied for President Carlos Menem and his Economy Minister Domingo Cavallo’s plan to sell the state oil giant YPF to Spain’s Repsol (probably a front for Britain’s BP).
As a reward for Kirchner’s services to Menem, in 1993 Santa Cruz Province was paid by the federal government $654 million in long-outstanding royalties owed by YPF.
Thus those federal funds became provincial funds, which Kirchner immediately expatriated. Today, almost 20 years later, no one knows exactly what became of that money.
We do know that it passed through several tax havens including the Cayman Islands. We do know that when Néstor Kirchner became President in 2003, he finally admitted that those hundreds of millions of dollars were deposited with global mega-banks Morgan Stanley (Luxembourg), and UBS and Crédit Suisse (Switzerland), two tax havens known for their strict banking secrecy. We do know that, in line with Kirchner’s sloppy management of public funds, they unwittingly admitted that Santa Cruz’s money was deposited in the “Private Banking” departments of Credit Suisse and UBS. Which led to a key question being asked: Why were hundreds of millions of dollars in public funds deposited in the private banking department of those two Swiss banks?
Inquiries determined that these banks’ “Private Banking” departments manage funds for “very wealthy individuals”. That led to further questions: In whose name were those bank deposits? Néstor and Cristina Kirchner? Some other front man?
In turn, the people of Santa Cruz who for years suffered economic and social hardship continue to wonder why their public funds were not put to good use financing local housing, health and job-creation in their province, but rather put to serve European financial circles to the specific benefit of the Swiss and Luxembourgers. To try to get to the bottom of this scandal a civil lawsuit was filed against Néstor Kirchner and his helpers in a Buenos Aires District Federal Economic Crimes Court in May 2004.Pressure from President Kirchner, however, ensured that in July 2005 this case was closed declaring Kirchner and his helpers innocent of any wrongdoing. The judge in this sentence? Santiago Maria Losada, Kirchner’s nephew-in-law…...
...The personal wealth of the Kirchners, their relatives and key business and political associates rose dramatically: in her recent sworn statement of personal assets, Cristina Kirchner admitted having a net worth of over $ 70 million.
When asked how she had managed to amass such a huge fortune with her modest salary as congresswoman and then President, she explained this was the result of her “successful career as a lawyer”. However, she has never been able to produce evidence that she even graduated from Law School, nor evidence of any lawsuit in which she collected substantial lawyer’s fees.
Clearly, the roots of Néstor and Cristina Kirchner’s personal wealth is one of Argentina’s most closely guarded secrets. The appearance of that vast personal fortune coincides with the disappearance of the public funds of Santa Cruz Province.

Oh the irony that she lobbied Menen to sell off the nations state oil company to ... wait for it... BP!

Next week, Casually Red defends the Nazis for invading three quarters of Europe, all in the name of anti British Imperialism.... oh hang on, that was last week...

 

[gosub]

Think the correct response to latest news argentinian twatery is start having talks with the Spanish and if the Argies correctly point out that's not fair invite some argie aborigines

 

[Casually Red]

well you could try that , go for it

 

[Pingu]

 

[Pingu]

be interesting to see how the bennies vote in their referendum next month.

by that I mean it will be interesting to see if they include "become part of argentina" as the comedy option and fuck loads of them vote for it for the lulz and it kinda backfires when it gets 51% of the votes...

said it before and will say it again... instant sunshine Argentina.. save everyone a load of hassle for the forseeable

 

[likesfish]

http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06...d-regret-timerman-s-empty-chair#comment213878

The tub of lard gambit classic