What do you think of Alex Jones (anti neocon broadcaster / film-maker)?

[taffboy gwyrdd]

It's fairly easy to find his stuff online and his films are worth watching.

Here he is predicrting 911



But details are sometimes funny and you start to wonder how far to go with ALL the conspiracies.

 

[Jazzz]

Yes, much respect to him. However I wish he'd slow down the delivery sometimes, it's pretty manic!

 

[Pete the Greek]

what a crock of shit.

 

[pk]

Full of shit.

 

[nino_savatte]

He's a conspiraloon knobhead.

 

[editor]

He's a laughable irrelevance for terminally gullible conspiracy fantasists.

 

[nick1181]

Ok... if all the conspiracy theroists line up on one side of the hall, and all the anti-conspiracy theorists line up on the other...

... then when the music starts, everyone choose a partner, then abuse the fuck out of each other for about 21213213 pages... although to be fair this is already happening on another thread as we speak. Well, it was earlier anyway.

 

[rekil]

A shrewd businessman who has cornered a sizeable chunk of the much coveted conspiracy theory consumption market.

 

[editor]

Ok... if all the conspiracy theroists line up on one side of the hall, and all the anti-conspiracy theorists line up on the other...

I don't think there's much to argue about to be honest.

Apart from "I belieeeeve!" Jazzz and perhaps one or two other conspiracy 'fans' you're not going to find too many people interested in talking about Alex Jones because the man is a total cock.

 

[Blagsta]

Shit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Alex Jones: A man whose few nuggets of common sense are buried under a mountain of crowd-pleasing conspiracism.

He's no Joe Vialls, but he ceratinly knows how best to play to his not-very-critically-inclined audience.

 

[nick1181]

I don't think there's much to argue about to be honest.

Apart from "I belieeeeve!" Jazzz and perhaps one or two other conspiracy 'fans' you're not going to find too many people interested in talking about Alex Jones because the man is a total cock.

Well, no I quite agree - but I think the tradition is to argue about whether or not the building were brought down with explosives. That's the way these things always seem to go.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Alex Jones: A man whose few nuggets of common sense are buried under a mountain of crowd-pleasing conspiracism.

He's no Joe Vialls, but he ceratinly knows how best to play to his not-very-critically-inclined audience.

A lot of people have criticised his style but we have to remember the US context of his audiences. He is by no means worse, less dangerous than his right wing equivalents. If you can sort the wheat from the chaff he can be a good resource of information.

 

[ViolentPanda]

A lot of people have criticised his style but we have to remember the US context of his audiences. He is by no means worse, less dangerous than his right wing equivalents. If you can sort the wheat from the chaff he can be a good resource of information.

That's exactly the fundamental problem though. Much of hs audience don't "sort the wheat from the chaff", they just imbibe the whole lot in great big indiscriminate gulps.
I mean, how often have you seen the average conspiracy fan say "well, I believe "x", because there's some good supporting evidence, but "y" has no proof at all"? The more usual refrain is "well, Alex says that "x" is true and there's some supporting evidence, so "y" must be true too".

I've been debating with conspiracy fans all my adult life (30 yrs), and the gullible outnumber the rational by about 10 to 1 (at least in my own experience).

 

[Larry O'Hara]

he is a bullhorn bull-shitter, reactionary too. At best, a cynical snake oil salesman. Giving credibility to spooks (Machon/Shayler) fantasists (Illuminati bullshit) & racists (crap about Mexicans).

 

[bluestreak]

as much as it pains me to admit it, my thoughts on him pretty much were summed up by larry o'hara.

 

[nino_savatte]

A lot of people have criticised his style but we have to remember the US context of his audiences. He is by no means worse, less dangerous than his right wing equivalents. If you can sort the wheat from the chaff he can be a good resource of information.

Ah, but Jones provides prepackaged, predigested nuggets of [faulty] information, which are presented in a jouranlistic style; this presentational style contains the signifiers of factual broadcasting without disseminating any actual facts. It is lazy journalism; it no more informative than soothsaying or tossing some bones on the ground to see which way they fall in order to determine the future.

 

[8den]

The man believes that global warming doesn't exist just the sun is heating up.

I will link to the jon ronsant prove that bohemian grove is just bs in a sec.

 

[Luther Blissett]

Smokescreen or soothsayer?

If he hadn't existed, the State would have had to invent him as competition for the even greater loonspud, Jeff Rense.

Both have the ability to ruin the critical faculties of anyone exposed to their material, and paranoia exponentially increases in relation to exposure. The more you watch, the less able to discern the truth from fable, the less able to distinguish fact from fiction. Eventually, the viewer/listener begins to disregard the unbelievable truth.

Their only legacy of any worth is the appearance in english slang of phrases such as "Don't rense me, man", meaning "Don't talk nonsense".

 

[subversplat]

I liked that Snowman song he did.

 

[EddyBlack]

I think he believes in what he is doing. That he is fighting the 'new world order'.
I don't think he should be taken too seriously, but treated as what he is, a talk-radio host from Texas.

Some of the guests he has and interviews he does, are pretty good. Although he gets a lot wrong, on Prisonplanet I do get some interesting reports from the mainstream media that otherwise I would have missed. I prefer it to much of the printed media and other media outlets. But take it for what it is, a rather ameteurish and frequently erroneous news digest.

It is annoying how he always makes outrageous claims that have a small grain of truth or are based on ambiguous reports, whilst telling his audience, 'my claims are backed up, checkout these mainstream sources'.

Having wised onto his faults, I think overall Prisonplanet is a good site, I browse it daily. Is it a menace to gullible folks?

 

[Luther Blissett]

Marvin Zindler is a "hard-hitting investigative journalist, where he has mostly represented the city's elderly and working class, has made him one of the city's most influential and well-known media personalities". Also from Texas.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Zindler

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

he is a bullhorn bull-shitter, reactionary too. At best, a cynical snake oil salesman. Giving credibility to spooks (Machon/Shayler) fantasists (Illuminati bullshit) & racists (crap about Mexicans).

I had noticed the number of times he mentions immigration. You guys are starting to turn my opinion of the guy.

 

[EddyBlack]

I had noticed the number of times he mentions immigration. You guys are starting to turn my opinion of the guy.

Well he lives in Texas and there are no border controls. Imagine if we had borders with Poland and Romania?

Massive uncontrolled immigration is not good for the working and lower middle classes.

 

[RaverDrew]

Well he lives in Texas and there are no border controls. Imagine if we had borders with Poland and Romania?

Massive uncontrolled immigration is not good for the working and lower middle classes.

You what ?

People die trying to cross the border ffs

 

[nick1181]

Massive uncontrolled immigration is not good for the working and lower middle classes.

The problem isn't illegal immigration, it's illegal employment.

The only way immigration impacts lower and middle classes is when employers undercut the wages of their own employees to give jobs to people for whom poverty is normal.

There's political capital to be made out of xenophobia - but that's just a sly ploy (as blaming the weak always is). Responsability lies with employers paying irresponsible wages.

 

[Luther Blissett]

I had noticed the number of times he mentions immigration. You guys are starting to turn my opinion of the guy.

Ufo-loving conspiraloons - rense performs a similar function

Since the 1950s alien mythos has been a useful metaphor to manipulate attitudes to immigrants using Bernaysian propaganda techniques.

Could Jones be a state-department attempt to provide alternatives to independents like Jeff Rense? Or is that indulging in conspiracy theory?