nino_savatte
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Paul Marsh said:
Very, very interesting but hardly surprising. There are a lot of otherwise sensible people out there who have been seduced by this charlatan. Let's have more exposés like this one.
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Very, very interesting but hardly surprising. There are a lot of otherwise sensible people out there who have been seduced by this charlatan. Let's have more exposés like this one.
nino_savatte
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What's your take on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, paimei01?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
paimei01 said:
Hey and that plane was flying on a straight course, with transponder on, and autopilot working, in South fucking Dakota mind you.
On the other hand the 911 hijackers deviated from course, switched off their plane's transponders, and were flying over the Eastern Seaboard of the US the busiest piece of air space on the planet.
How long did it take for the jets to Scramble in 1999? 80 minutes.
How long before the hijackers crashed or hit their targets on September 11th? Less than 80 minutes in every case.
So basically you're saying thats its suspicious that the airforce didn't respond even faster than the incident in '99 which was a best case scenario for a unresponsive plane.
Really? Numbnuts, Really?
If you want me to link to the exact NORAD timeline, I fucking will. But come up with some better shit than Payne Steward first.
Incidentally taking post Sept 11th examples is fucking retarded. Of course the US will react differently to a plane over DC post 911.
Finally, who exactly would you be satisfied with the buck stopping with? Bush? Cheney? Some NORAD radar operator?
On and actually fin-a-fucking-ly. Would you care to explain which "wargames" left the US undefended on 911?
EddyBlack said:
So the Bush administration are a bunch of lying deceitful cunts, who use the threat of terrorism as a puppet show to distract from other domestic and foreign policy failures. Gosh let me pick my fucking jaw up from the floor. Do you have another point Eddy? Or are you going to next demonstrate that the sky is blue? Or that puppies and kittens are fucking cute. Seriously Eddie what's your sodding point?
Its' not 80 minutes. On 9/11 there was not even a try by fighter planes to catch the hijackers.
So what if the transponder was shut down ? Do you think you are the first in the world to think about this, and in 2001 everybody said "oh no they shut down the transponder, now nobody can find them, we did not think about this !!"
http://www.deanhartwell.com/911Wargames.htm#_ednref2
Cheney is a liar. What about the story from 1999 ? Intercepting does not mean shooting down, and in 199 it was default procedure
http://web.archive.org/web/20020219050126/http://www.newhouse.com/archive/story1a012802.html
No I am not Azrael23.
nino_savatte
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You're really Azrael23 or whatever his name was.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
So, so many things. At least one of which i noted earlier.paimei01 said:
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
paimei01 said:
I'm now going to explain why you're a fucking idiot.
The first time is Eastern Seaboard.
The second time is central mountain.
The plane went from one time zone to another.
There's an hour time difference. We had to drill this into fucking Jazzz on the "media happenings thread". Jazzz, Jazzz mind you, Jazzz who thinks he pwn'd a fucking architect on the matter of building engineering, conceded this point.
Buh? Argument from Personal Incredibility. You're assuming that they were prepared for this. You don't know, but just assume. Pretty much every previous hijacking in commerical airline history involved the hijackers flying the planes to another location and making fucking demands. This was an extraordinary situation. Planes and Hijackers don't switch off transponders. Please give an example of this happening before, before you state that they should have thought about it.
Ohhhhh you made me do it. I'm reposting this from another forum.
Read the following and tell me where NORAD went wrong.
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The following is a timeline of the NORAD response to the hijackings on 9/11, as based on the transcripts from over 30 hours of recordings inside the NORAD command centre.
All times are in Eastern Daylight Time
0759 AA11 departs Logan International Airport
0813 AA11 is hijacked. Short after its transponder is turned off
0814 UA175 departs Logan International Airport
0820 AA77 departs Washington Dulles International Airport
0820 AA11 turns off its IFF (Identify Friend-or-Foe) beacon and begins deviating from its scheduled flight path
0824 AA11 makes a 100 degree turn and heads for New York City
0837 Boston Centre notifies NEADS of the hijacking of AA11 and requests an aircraft scramble. This is the first incident of the morning.
0838 The two F-15s on alert status at Otis ANGB (Air National Guard Base) are put on “Battle Stations” (pilots enter their aircraft and await the signal to launch)
0839 NEADS contact Boston Centre and discover they do not know where AA11 is (because the aircraft’s transponder has been turned off).
0842 UA93 departs Newark International Airport
0844 UA 175 is hijacked
0844 Despite having no coordinates for intercept, NEADS decide to launch the Otis aircraft anyway.
0846 AA11 hits the North Tower of the World Trade Centre
0846 The stoplight at the Alert Barn on Otis ANGB turns from red to green, and the two F-15s taxi out to the runway.
0851 Boston Centre notifies NEADS that an aircraft has flown into the WTC. NEADS immediately call New York Centre, and discover they do not yet know about the incident. This is the second aircraft incident of the morning (NEADS do not know it is AA11).
0852 UA175 turns off course and fails to respond to communication. New York Centre knows the aircraft has been hijacked.
0852 NEADS decide to direct the Otis fighters to New York City anyway.
0854 AA77 is hijacked and its transponder is turned off. Indianapolis Centre loses contact with the aircraft and assumes it has crashed.
0855 Confusion begins to arise as to whether the aircraft that hit the WTC was AA11. Confirmation is required from the airline company (who independently track their aircraft), however American Airlines does not confirm the fate of AA11. Airlines routinely go into “information lockdown” when a crisis occurs.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
But an unidentified male trooper at NEADS overhears the exchange and raises a red flag.
0856 Indianapolis Centre notify the FAA that AA77 has been hijacked (realizing it did not crash).
0903 NEADS are notified of a second hijacking. (3rd incident of the morning).
0903 UA175 hits the South Tower of the WTC. A number of NEADS personnel witness it live on CNN.
0907 FAA civilian controllers direct the Otis fighters to enter a holding pattern over Long Island. They are worried about the fighters colliding with civilian aircraft in the densely packed airspace over New York.
NEADS weapon controllers are not happy.
NEADS weapons controllers request the launch of the two F-16 fighters at Alert on Langley AFB (Air Force Base) in Virginia. However this request is refused by NEADS command. Instead the fighters are put on Battle Stations. NEADS command are concerned that the Langley fighters are the only remaining aircraft they have – if both pairs are airborne at the same time both pairs will run out of fuel at the same time.
0921 Boston Centre notify NEADS of a third hijacked aircraft, headed for Washington DC. (4th incident of the morning).
0921 Boston Centre overhears a FAA conversation which mentions AA11 is still airborne. Based on this and AA11’s previous known heading they determine that it is headed for Washington DC. They notify NEADS.
0922 The Langley fighters are scrambled, however the pilots are not given a reason for a scramble. The Navy ATC handling them directs them east, over the Atlantic Ocean, to a military training airspace called Whiskey 386.
0928 UA93 is hijacked.
0934 In the course of a call to Washington Centre, NEADS finds out about the hijacking of AA77 (bringing the day’s total – from NEADS’ point of view – to 4 hijackings (one crashed into WTC) plus the first crash into the WTC as a 5th aircraft).
0934 NEADS notice the F-16s are headed in the wrong direction, and contact the Navy ATC.
0935 Boston Centre notify NEADS of yet another unidentified aircraft flying over Washington DC (6th aircraft incident).
0936 The Langley Fighters are directed to head for the White House.
0937 AA77 hits The Pentagon. The Langley Fighters are 150 miles away.
0939 After several transmissions from the hijackers, Cleveland Centre is now aware that UA93 has been hijacked. However they do not notify the military – standard procedure in the event of a hijacking is to hand control over to the FBI.
0940 Boston Centre notify NEADS of a possibly hijacking of Delta 1989. Unknown to Boston Centre, an ATC in Cleveland has already made contact with the crew of Delta 1989 and determined that there is no hijacking. This is the 7th aircraft incident of the day, as far as NEADS are aware.
NEADS begin contacting ANG bases along the aircraft’s path, as there are no NORAD aircraft in a position to intercept.
0954 A base in Selfridge, Michigan offers up fighters to intercept Delta 1989.
0856 Indianapolis Centre notify the FAA that AA77 has been hijacked (realizing it did not crash).
0903 NEADS are notified of a second hijacking. (3rd incident of the morning).
0903 UA175 hits the South Tower of the WTC. A number of NEADS personnel witness it live on CNN.
0907 FAA civilian controllers direct the Otis fighters to enter a holding pattern over Long Island. They are worried about the fighters colliding with civilian aircraft in the densely packed airspace over New York.
NEADS weapon controllers are not happy.
NEADS weapons controllers request the launch of the two F-16 fighters at Alert on Langley AFB (Air Force Base) in Virginia. However this request is refused by NEADS command. Instead the fighters are put on Battle Stations. NEADS command are concerned that the Langley fighters are the only remaining aircraft they have – if both pairs are airborne at the same time both pairs will run out of fuel at the same time.
0921 Boston Centre notify NEADS of a third hijacked aircraft, headed for Washington DC. (4th incident of the morning).
0921 Boston Centre overhears a FAA conversation which mentions AA11 is still airborne. Based on this and AA11’s previous known heading they determine that it is headed for Washington DC. They notify NEADS.
0922 The Langley fighters are scrambled, however the pilots are not given a reason for a scramble. The Navy ATC handling them directs them east, over the Atlantic Ocean, to a military training airspace called Whiskey 386.
0928 UA93 is hijacked.
0934 In the course of a call to Washington Centre, NEADS finds out about the hijacking of AA77 (bringing the day’s total – from NEADS’ point of view – to 4 hijackings (one crashed into WTC) plus the first crash into the WTC as a 5th aircraft).
0934 NEADS notice the F-16s are headed in the wrong direction, and contact the Navy ATC.
0935 Boston Centre notify NEADS of yet another unidentified aircraft flying over Washington DC (6th aircraft incident).
0936 The Langley Fighters are directed to head for the White House.
0937 AA77 hits The Pentagon. The Langley Fighters are 150 miles away.
0939 After several transmissions from the hijackers, Cleveland Centre is now aware that UA93 has been hijacked. However they do not notify the military – standard procedure in the event of a hijacking is to hand control over to the FBI.
0940 Boston Centre notify NEADS of a possibly hijacking of Delta 1989. Unknown to Boston Centre, an ATC in Cleveland has already made contact with the crew of Delta 1989 and determined that there is no hijacking. This is the 7th aircraft incident of the day, as far as NEADS are aware.
NEADS begin contacting ANG bases along the aircraft’s path, as there are no NORAD aircraft in a position to intercept.
0954 A base in Selfridge, Michigan offers up fighters to intercept Delta 1989.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
1000 Some time between 0954 and 1007, NEADS receive a call from NORAD Canada Region, notifying them of a suspected hijack aircraft headed south across the border to Washington. This is the 8th aircraft incident.
1003 UA93 crashes into a field near Shankesville, Pennsylvania after passengers attempt to seize control of the cockpit.
1007 Baltimore Centre becomes aware of an aircraft over the White House. 9th aircraft incident
1007 Cleveland Centre notifies NEADS of the hijacking of UA93 – unaware that it has already crashed. 10th aircraft incident.
1010 The chase towards the White House continues, eventually ending when NEADS realize the unidentified aircraft spotted by Baltimore Centre is actually the two Langley F-16s.
1015 NEADS are notified that UA93 has crashed.
1015 30 seconds after being notified that UA93 has crashed, NORAD South East Air Defense Sector (SEADS) notifies NEADS of another potential hijacking. This is the 11th incident of the day.
False reports of hijackings, and real responses, continue well into the afternoon, though civilian air-traffic controllers had managed to clear the skies of all commercial and private aircraft by just after 12 p.m. The fighter pilots over New York and D.C. (and later Boston and Chicago) would spend hours darting around their respective skylines intercepting hundreds of aircraft they deemed suspicious. Meanwhile, Arnold, Marr, and Nasypany were launching as many additional fighters as they could, placing some 300 armed jets in protective orbits over every major American city by the following morning. No one at NEADS would go home until late on the night of the 11th, and then only for a few hours of sleep.
Vanity Fair Article on the NORAD tapes.
See what you've got there mate? An awful lot of confusion, but a rapid response. There were nearly a dozen confused reports from panicked air traffic controllers, planes intercepting each other. But the response time was rapid. You're dealing with the busiest airspace in the world, reacting to an unprecedented event, multiple hijackings in a matter of minutes, with the aim of turning the planes into missiles. And you're comparing this to a fucking Lear Jet flying at level altitude over South Dakota, and expecting a faster response? Where the fuck is the "away with the pixies" Morrissey Gif?
1003 UA93 crashes into a field near Shankesville, Pennsylvania after passengers attempt to seize control of the cockpit.
1007 Baltimore Centre becomes aware of an aircraft over the White House. 9th aircraft incident
1007 Cleveland Centre notifies NEADS of the hijacking of UA93 – unaware that it has already crashed. 10th aircraft incident.
1010 The chase towards the White House continues, eventually ending when NEADS realize the unidentified aircraft spotted by Baltimore Centre is actually the two Langley F-16s.
1015 NEADS are notified that UA93 has crashed.
1015 30 seconds after being notified that UA93 has crashed, NORAD South East Air Defense Sector (SEADS) notifies NEADS of another potential hijacking. This is the 11th incident of the day.
False reports of hijackings, and real responses, continue well into the afternoon, though civilian air-traffic controllers had managed to clear the skies of all commercial and private aircraft by just after 12 p.m. The fighter pilots over New York and D.C. (and later Boston and Chicago) would spend hours darting around their respective skylines intercepting hundreds of aircraft they deemed suspicious. Meanwhile, Arnold, Marr, and Nasypany were launching as many additional fighters as they could, placing some 300 armed jets in protective orbits over every major American city by the following morning. No one at NEADS would go home until late on the night of the 11th, and then only for a few hours of sleep.
Vanity Fair Article on the NORAD tapes.
See what you've got there mate? An awful lot of confusion, but a rapid response. There were nearly a dozen confused reports from panicked air traffic controllers, planes intercepting each other. But the response time was rapid. You're dealing with the busiest airspace in the world, reacting to an unprecedented event, multiple hijackings in a matter of minutes, with the aim of turning the planes into missiles. And you're comparing this to a fucking Lear Jet flying at level altitude over South Dakota, and expecting a faster response? Where the fuck is the "away with the pixies" Morrissey Gif?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
To summaries.
1) No you muppet there were several attempts to intercept planes made by NORAD on September 11th.
2) The Payne Stewart Incident took 80 minutes to intercept in ideal circumstances.
3) NORAD responded fast, was hampered by understandable confusion due to the multiple hijackings, and other reports of hijackings, but even under ideal circumstances would have been nigh on impossible for them to intercept a plane in the timeframe necessary.
Any more questions, or are you just going to regurgitate some more stupid?
1) No you muppet there were several attempts to intercept planes made by NORAD on September 11th.
2) The Payne Stewart Incident took 80 minutes to intercept in ideal circumstances.
3) NORAD responded fast, was hampered by understandable confusion due to the multiple hijackings, and other reports of hijackings, but even under ideal circumstances would have been nigh on impossible for them to intercept a plane in the timeframe necessary.
Any more questions, or are you just going to regurgitate some more stupid?
nino_savatte
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Okay, you're his younger and more cretinous, brother.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Nicely done there 8den, even if it is like shooting very dumb fish in a very small barrel
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I really should get around to registering over there....8den said:
8ball
AV REFUGEES WELCOME
The dynamics of conspiraloonery are identical to the dynamics of creationism in the way the websites work to 'evolve' plausible-sounding stories from random babble.
It's a PhD thesis waiting to happen.
I wonder if both camps will ever team up - "The US Government would have us believe that the Twin Towers were destroyed by airliners spontaneously created by a whirlwind whipping round a scrapyard in Area 51 . . . "
It's a PhD thesis waiting to happen.
I wonder if both camps will ever team up - "The US Government would have us believe that the Twin Towers were destroyed by airliners spontaneously created by a whirlwind whipping round a scrapyard in Area 51 . . . "
Badger Kitten
oof
I would like to point out at this point that rather-well-connected novelist Armistead Maupin wrote about Bohemian Grove's secrets in detail, in 1987, in his book '' Significant Others'', part of the ''Tales of the City series'', set in San Fransisco and surrounding area.
In this comic novel, heavily based on his observations and insider knowledge of contemporary rich and gay society in LA/SanFran, he explored male camaraderie at the rich old white fart's Bohemian Grove summer camp, and female camaraderie at a women's-only feminist camp, Wimminwood, downriver.
He described Bohemian Grove as exactly what it is, a networking club summer camp for rich old Republican farts reliving their frat boy days in an affectionate insider portrayal. In the book the comedy happens when Booter, a wealthy old Republican accidentally ends up in Wimminwood. Anyway, here's your expose of the owl stuff...Booter has arrived at camp, and is enjoying the freedom of the place he has been visiting each summer for forty years, meeting old buddies who are equally happy to escape from their demanding society wives...
See? It's like grown up Boy scouts. It was always there, all the juice, in a book that has been on sale for the last twenty years. Very well connected, Mr Maupin. He broke the news about Rock Hudson being gay and HIV positive too, in a thinly disguised blind piece in another one of the series' books, describing a weekend 'men's pool party' at the star's house - where Mouse, the lead character actually picks up HIV from Rock, only discovering he has the virus years later.
Anyway, I digress. But it always amuses me when conspiraloons go on about child eating owl gods at Bohemian Grove. It's been an open secret what goes on there for years.
In this comic novel, heavily based on his observations and insider knowledge of contemporary rich and gay society in LA/SanFran, he explored male camaraderie at the rich old white fart's Bohemian Grove summer camp, and female camaraderie at a women's-only feminist camp, Wimminwood, downriver.
He described Bohemian Grove as exactly what it is, a networking club summer camp for rich old Republican farts reliving their frat boy days in an affectionate insider portrayal. In the book the comedy happens when Booter, a wealthy old Republican accidentally ends up in Wimminwood. Anyway, here's your expose of the owl stuff...Booter has arrived at camp, and is enjoying the freedom of the place he has been visiting each summer for forty years, meeting old buddies who are equally happy to escape from their demanding society wives...
Armistead Maupin in 1987 said:
See? It's like grown up Boy scouts. It was always there, all the juice, in a book that has been on sale for the last twenty years. Very well connected, Mr Maupin. He broke the news about Rock Hudson being gay and HIV positive too, in a thinly disguised blind piece in another one of the series' books, describing a weekend 'men's pool party' at the star's house - where Mouse, the lead character actually picks up HIV from Rock, only discovering he has the virus years later.
Anyway, I digress. But it always amuses me when conspiraloons go on about child eating owl gods at Bohemian Grove. It's been an open secret what goes on there for years.
Badger Kitten
oof
Yep, it was quoted upthread. I liked Them a lot.
I thought I would reveal though that BG had been busted open via Maupin 20 years back
I thought I would reveal though that BG had been busted open via Maupin 20 years back
Badger Kitten
oof
*Bah*
Pointless mistaken poster identity twittery removed.
Pointless mistaken poster identity twittery removed.
disownedspirit
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where's the snowman then
oh alex....sorry
oh alex....sorry
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=53815767687186956&hl=en
A firefighter tells the story of what he did on 9/11.
"Tower one was coming down from the interior on us"
"Inside structure was just disintegrating, we were like : How is this happening when the plane was up fifty more stories and the stairway is collapsing on us ?"
"Explosions , fires everywhere "
"It wasn't a F14 shooting rockets at us"
"We got down to the third floor and that's where the stairway collapsed on us
and we had to dig all the way out, now the building is coming down we can't see nothing, once again, saying our prayers, you know the show is over here now, this is it.
And with that, all of the sudden, we're looking for another stairwell, me and the lieutenant open a door, we find a body in this closet, we were like : what the heck is that, where did this come from, what's going on here ?, something crazy is going on.
We got our way out off the third stall and that's where the maintenance fellow with a little flash light saved our lives , he was pointing over at us , if it wasn't for him we never would have found another stairwell, the building would have collapsed, William Rodriguez, he saved our lives"
"People coming down the stairs from all different stories , burnt"
"We got down to the lobby and everything was blown up, exploded"
He also says about some people who were told not to go to work that day
Of course no eye witness testified for the 9/11 "investigation".
A firefighter tells the story of what he did on 9/11.
"Tower one was coming down from the interior on us"
"Inside structure was just disintegrating, we were like : How is this happening when the plane was up fifty more stories and the stairway is collapsing on us ?"
"Explosions , fires everywhere "
"It wasn't a F14 shooting rockets at us"
"We got down to the third floor and that's where the stairway collapsed on us
and we had to dig all the way out, now the building is coming down we can't see nothing, once again, saying our prayers, you know the show is over here now, this is it.
And with that, all of the sudden, we're looking for another stairwell, me and the lieutenant open a door, we find a body in this closet, we were like : what the heck is that, where did this come from, what's going on here ?, something crazy is going on.
We got our way out off the third stall and that's where the maintenance fellow with a little flash light saved our lives , he was pointing over at us , if it wasn't for him we never would have found another stairwell, the building would have collapsed, William Rodriguez, he saved our lives"
"People coming down the stairs from all different stories , burnt"
"We got down to the lobby and everything was blown up, exploded"
He also says about some people who were told not to go to work that day
Of course no eye witness testified for the 9/11 "investigation".
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Well isn't this a surprise, conspiraloon avoids taking any notice of posts pointing out they are wrong.
nino_savatte
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I would still like to know who killed Bambi?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
editor said:
He doesn't say how he knows but simply a friend told him so. He furthermore says at the following tc
He rambles on about health issues of 1st responders, and heaps scorn on Gulliani. He's clearly suffering from PTS, and is being asked leading questions by that grade A scumbag Dylan Avery.
This is someone abusing a man with mental health problems. Its fucking sickening.
That would be all those firefighters whose statements are at:paimei01 said:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
Have we really got to go through all this shit again? It's already been done to death in the mega thread.
Another interesting source of genuine info on the FDNY, transcripts and statements is here:
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=43995
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