Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[butchersapron]

Or that it's possible to touch Julia Hartley-Brewer without your hand withering.

This above is sort of how it starts isn't it?

 

[Raheem]

This above is sort of how it starts isn't it?

An exaggeration, I think, but point taken.

 

[Crispy]

I said allegedly!
Very easy to fake, that.

 

[kebabking]

So Bob Stewart the hero of bosnia and UN's spear-point = perpetually drunk. However did Srebrenica happen?

he turned into a drunk after Bos - he's been free with his affections from time immemorial (he hooked up with one on the interpreters in Bos, and was openly living with her during the tour - and unsurprisingly got divorced upon return), but the problem drinking only started when he returned from Bos and the divorce got nasty and the knives were out. he'd never been a Chief of the Defence Staff in waiting - he was lucky to get to Lt Col level, and incredibly lucky to be appointed CO of an Infantry Bn - but his career came to a crashing halt during his first tour as a full Colonel because of the open infidelity, the booze, the career politiking at that level and the publicity seeking.

he was pretty effective in Bos, or as effective as he could be given his ROE, UN Policy (and UK Policy) and the resources at his disposal, but he didn't have the temperament, cunning or brains to be peacetime senior Officer in a shrinking Army, and the disappointment of what had not been achieved in Bos, combined with the collapse of his private life, fed into his going from being a social drinker into being a problem drinker.

 

[butchersapron]

he turned into a drunk after Bos - he's been free with his affections from time immemorial (he hooked up with one on the interpreters in Bos, and was openly living with her during the tour - and unsurprisingly got divorced upon return), but the problem drinking only started when he returned from Bos and the divorce got nasty and the knives were out. he'd never been a Chief of the Defence Staff in waiting - he was lucky to get to Lt Col level, and incredibly lucky to be appointed CO of an Infantry Bn - but his career came to a crashing halt during his first tour as a full Colonel because of the open infidelity, the booze, the career politiking at that level and the publicity seeking.

he was pretty effective in Bos, or as effective as he could be given his ROE, UN Policy (and UK Policy) and the resources at his disposal, but he didn't have the temperament, cunning or brains to be peacetime senior Officer in a shrinking Army, and the disappointment of what had not been achieved in Bos, combined with the collapse of his private life, fed into his going from being a social drinker into being a problem drinker.

Sounds like this sort of stuff was an open secret - or not even a secret. Yet this bloke won the selection for a very safe seat. They either have very serious personnel problems or there's some serious not giving a shit going on.

 

[killer b]

Or people with secrets (open or otherwise) are more pliable than those without.

 

[killer b]

I said allegedly!
Very easy to fake, that.

twitter noise says it's been leaked, so I think it's most likely genuine.

 

[butchersapron]

Or people with secrets (open or otherwise) are more pliable than those without.

There's thousands of willing pliables out there - it's the common thing for all Prospective MPs. A safe seat - what was required? I can see no pay off.

 

[kebabking]

Sounds like this sort of stuff was an open secret - or not even a secret. Yet this bloke won the selection for a very safe seat. They either have very serious personnel problems or there's some serious not giving a shit going on.

he's very personable, he has name recognition in pretty much every voter over the age of 40, and he's got a chestful of medals and can talk coherantly/plausibly (to those who have little knowledge and understanding..) about defence issues in an era when most politicians wouldn't know the difference between a tank and a battleship.

i know its been a while since you were involved in a political organisation that picked prospective parliamentary candidates and so you might not remember the procession of loons, freaks, weirdos and obvious sexpests and serial killers who put themselves forward for selection - but i'm not remotely surprised they picked him.

 

[butchersapron]

he's very personable, he has name recognition in pretty much every voter over the age of 40, and he's got a chestful of medals and can talk coherantly/plausibly (to those who have little knowledge and understanding..) about defence issues in an era when most politicians wouldn't know the difference between a tank and a battleship.

i know its been a while since you were involved in a political organisation that picked prospective parliamentary candidates and so you might not remember the procession of loons, freaks, weirdos and obvious sexpests and serial killers who put themselves forward for selection - but i'm not remotely surprised they picked him.

Well when you put it like that...

It was the safe seatness that surprised me though. They're supposed to be for favoured sons and daughters. I have seem him come across very well in a sort of this is what we used to be like way.

 

[Fingers]

Could be some awkward silence around the Truss' dinner table this evening

 

[kebabking]

Well when you put it like that...

It was the safe seatness that surprised me though. They're supposed to be for favoured sons and daughters. I have seem him come across very well in a sort of this is what we used to be like way.

i assume it was the influence of the Cameron/Osbourne cabal - they were very young and inexperienced, very posh and wanted to have a grizzled old soldier (with public name recognition..) on the team to make them look more like a prospective government than the editorial team at Tatler or Horse and Hound.

notice however that he never became a minister, i wouldn't be at all surprised if they selected him as a candidate from afar, and that his promised ministerial career ended when they met him.

 

[Wilf]

Its an odd list. Given there is stuff on there which is a bit 'so what?' (the last one for example)

Still, a quick check on which Cabinet Minister has lobbied for Channel should unearth the culprit. I also like the archaic language, 'fornicated with male researcher' for example.

My attitude towards MPs is that I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. 7th from bottom suggests not everyone holds to my lofty standards. [edit: beaten to it by krtek a houby a page ago]

 

[butchersapron]

Still, a quick check on which Cabinet Minister has lobbied for Channel should unearth the culprit. I also like the archaic language, 'fornicated with male researcher' for example.

My attitude towards MPs is that I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. 7th from bottom suggests not everyone holds to my lofty standards.

Impregnated

 

[Teaboy]

If true it's extraordinary that this was all committed to writing and having done so it was allowed to be leaked. Did no one think 'do you know what, having this list in writing is a bad idea?'

 

[Fingers]

This one is more redacted with name of alleged offender and alleged misdemeanor

 

[SpookyFrank]

If true it's extraordinary that this was all committed to writing and having done so it was allowed to be leaked. Did no one think 'do you know what, having this list in writing is a bad idea?'

Apparently nobody thought that having a government full of grimy little perverts was a bad idea so I guess all bets are off.

 

[Fingers]

So the dildo lady who left her job with Mark Garnier, went to work for John Wittingdale... who is also on the list...

 

[kebabking]

If true it's extraordinary that this was all committed to writing and having done so it was allowed to be leaked. Did no one think 'do you know what, having this list in writing is a bad idea?'

i'm still of the view that the list is a journalists list - if it was a whips/party list it wouldn't say 'Tory MP', because, well, duh.. it would just say 'backbencher' or whatever. its not a parliamentary workers 'who to avoid in a taxi' list because some of it is just affairs between consenting adults with nothing sex pesty about them that secretaries or researchers would have cause to worry about.

 

[Raheem]

i'm still of the view that the list is a journalists list - if it was a whips/party list it wouldn't say 'Tory MP', because, well, duh.. it would just say 'backbencher' or whatever. its not a parliamentary workers 'who to avoid in a taxi' list because some of it is just affairs between consenting adults with nothing sex pesty about them that secretaries or researchers would have cause to worry about.

The list, if it's genuine, doesn't say "Tory MP". That was a mockup by the Sun.

 

[krtek a houby]

Alan Mak's holidays

 

[hot air baboon]

If that version is true then I would have thought Fallon would be considered something of a security risk - recall this idiot who had trouble keeping his flies done up

Suspected Russian spy admits affair with Lib Dem MP Mike Hancock

Katia Zatuliveter, 26, told a tribunal that the married 65-year-old MP tried to seduce her the first time they met, and later gave her a job in his parliamentary office where she had access to sensitive defence documents through his position on the defence select committee.
She also admitted that before meeting Mr Hancock she had affairs with a Nato official and a Dutch diplomat.

 

[Fingers]

The impregnated Boris lady actually lives with the MP and has a kid with him so that is tittle tattle.

 

[Wilf]

i'm still of the view that the list is a journalists list - if it was a whips/party list it wouldn't say 'Tory MP', because, well, duh.. it would just say 'backbencher' or whatever. its not a parliamentary workers 'who to avoid in a taxi' list because some of it is just affairs between consenting adults with nothing sex pesty about them that secretaries or researchers would have cause to worry about.

There's certainly an odd tone to it. Judgemental, even if most of the cases appear to involve at the very least imbalances of power, right through to sexual assaults. Slightly odd almost medical language. As you say, it doesn't look like an internal tory document, but neither does it use the language a journo might typically use.

 

[kebabking]

There's certainly an odd tone to it. Judgemental, even if most of the cases appear to involve at the very least imbalances of power, right through to sexual assaults. Slightly odd almost medical language. As you say, it doesn't look like an internal tory document, but neither does it use the language a journo might typically use.

yes, its the language thats odd - who says fornicated or impregnated?

is this the cunning work of one W. Rees-Mogg Esquire, who with his coat as white as snow, will come to the rescue of the party and apply the coup de grace to its embattled and utterly compromised leader?

 

[Wilf]

yes, its the language thats odd - who says fornicated or impregnated?

is this the cunning work of one W. Rees-Mogg Esquire, who with his coat as white as snow, will come to the rescue of the party and apply the coup de grace to its embattled and utterly compromised leader?

Surely, he'd have gone with wantonness and lasciviousness.

 

[SpackleFrog]

old Kwasi gets about a bit

quite a lot of this is really no ones business though surely.

Why are Truss and Rudd on the list and not KK if they are both on the list for sleeping with him? Is it cos they are both married and he appears to be single looking at wikipedia?

 

[Teaboy]

I like the fact there are a couple of whips listed there as well.

I think, perhaps, its time to get rid of the bars at the HoC as this lot clearly cannot be trusted.

 

[Fingers]

Why are Truss and Rudd on the list and not KK if they are both on the list for sleeping with him? Is it cos they are both married and he appears to be single looking at wikipedia?

Rudd is not married. She was married to AA Gill who is now deceased and she has made no secret of the fact that she is/was involved with KK

 

[hot air baboon]

impregnated?

what word would you use ?