Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[ViolentPanda]

yeh the wild hunt

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The Dark Is Rising.

 

[Poi E]

TBF Bob Stewart was known to "like his ale" even back when he was a colonel.

Spent many an evening enjoying slivovica with Serb forces.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Spent many an evening enjoying slivovica with Serb forces.

As much as you can enjoy drinking slightly plum-flavoured paraffin, anyway!

 

[Poi E]

Only the best maraska for Bob. Even if it was ustase.

 

[killer b]

 

[killer b]

oh dear.

Rosie Winterton challenged Jeremy Corbyn over promotion of Kelvin Hopkins to Shadow Cabinet

 

[Teaboy]

oh dear.

Rosie Winterton challenged Jeremy Corbyn over promotion of Kelvin Hopkins to Shadow Cabinet

None of the leaders of the 3 main parties (in England and Wales) are especially young. They're all quite seasoned parliamentarians so the things they've got used to down the years and what has become the norm will be very hard to shift and they will all be tarnished with them. I doubt any of them are the people to fix the problem because they are all fully entrenched in the system and essentially part of the problem. Dunno, we'll see.

 

[killer b]

I understand how this happened, but it looks appalling. Could do with him actually saying something soon though I think.

 

[RainbowTown]

"Looks appalling."

Well, it is appalling.

But no surprise. Labour are probably just as much up to their eyes in this than the Tories. Corbyyn and May, eh? What a pair.The tweedledum and tweedledee of UK politics. Pathetic doesn't even cover it. Bemused contempt probably does.

 

[Teaboy]

I understand how this happened, but it looks appalling. Could do with him actually saying something soon though I think.

Yes sorry I wasn't explaining. Just sorta musing over the mess that is and how exposed Corbyn is. The quick suspensions are good but I agree make a big statement and get on the front foot. At the moment all the parties are offering up bland nothings, a clear statement and strategy is required.

 

[Teaboy]

"Looks appalling."

Well, it is appalling.

But no surprise. Labour are probably just as much up to their eyes in this than the Tories. Corbyyn and May, eh? What a pair.The tweedledum and tweedledee of UK politics. Pathetic doesn't even cover it. Bemused contempt probably does.

Whilst its bloody awful its a bit much to hang an entire culture which is as old as Parliment itself on two people.

 

[Wilf]

I understand how this happened, but it looks appalling. Could do with him actually saying something soon though I think.

If this is anything like true - and there's every reason for thinking it is - Corbyn deserves as much shit as May is getting. In fact, unless I've missed something in the last couple of days, Corbyn looks to have had more cases reported directly to him than May has.

FWIW, a government lead by Corbyn might well be marginally better for victims than one lead by any of the Tories. But when it comes to willingness to take action within your own organisation, you really show your true colours. As the BBC for example showed over Savile.

 

[bimble]

I wonder if anyone in the country is surprised by any of these recent revelations. Hope I’m wrong but doubt there’s much genuine shock around.

 

[killer b]

If this is anything like true - and there's every reason for thinking it is - Corbyn deserves as much shit as May is getting. In fact, unless I've missed something in the last couple of days, Corbyn looks to have had more cases reported directly to him than May has.

Not sure, there's only this one I know about?

Stephen Bush's piece here has it about right I think.

 

[Wilf]

Not sure, there's only this one I know about?

Stephen Bush's piece here has it about right I think.

Probably my mistake. I had it mind that one of the cases mentioned, perhaps the one's raised by John Mann (?), had at least the implication that Corbyn knew. Thinking about it again, this might be the first.

 

[Pickman's model]

If this is anything like true - and there's every reason for thinking it is - Corbyn deserves as much shit as May is getting. In fact, unless I've missed something in the last couple of days, Corbyn looks to have had more cases reported directly to him than May has.

FWIW, a government lead by Corbyn might well be marginally better for victims than one lead by any of the Tories. But when it comes to willingness to take action within your own organisation, you really show your true colours. As the BBC for example showed over Savile.

Yeh. But a Corbyn government is going to be nice cop to auld May's nasty cop. It's not like Corbyn would be super good, he'd just manage capitalism with nicer intentions.

 

[bendeus]

Now spreading to the devolved parliaments with the resignation of Carl Sargeant, a Welsh Labour big beast and longtime minister, and his immediate suspension from the Labour party after 'shocking and distressing' allegations.

 

[Poi E]

Someone’s got to be digging on the DUP.

 

[butchersapron]

Now spreading to the devolved parliaments with the resignation of Carl Sargeant, a Welsh Labour big beast and longtime minister, and his immediate suspension from the Labour party after 'shocking and distressing' allegations.

I like the way in that story he stepped down after he was informed of allegations against him, like spacey - and like hari was amazed to find out what he had done.

 

[RainbowTown]

Whilst its bloody awful its a bit much to hang an entire culture which is as old as Parliment itself on two people.

Well, they are both in charge of their parties at the moment (aren't they?). So they have a responsibilty of sorts, an accountability. This has fell on their watch. Tough luck.

Also, as 'fine', long standing MP's of numerous years, another thought spring to mind. In all those years they themselves NEVER EVER saw anything untoward? Really? Hmmmmmmm...

And if they did why didn't either of them EVER speak up against it?

And when both were finally told about it (like I say, before that both were completely oblivious to it all. Yes, really. Really) why didn't they act more decisively? (ie boot the culprits out on their arses el pronto)?

Why leave it until now, when their hands have been forced?

Both as bad as one another.

 

[J Ed]

Someone’s got to be digging on the DUP.

Less MPs so lower probability I suppose

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

It's clear that a major point of the Westminster Sex-pest scandal is being missed, how deliberately I don't know.

As with child sex abuse and other crimes, parties strongly appear to have sat on allegations, frankly as a tradition, either for purpose of cover-up or blackmail.

This systemic issue is now obscured by the feeding frenzy on resignations / possible resignations, sensationalism over individual cases and party political point scoring.

The interests of victims is far from the top of the list.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

There's quite a famous clip of a former chief whip or MI5 guy (I think) admitting that paedos were known about but it was sat on for blackmail. Anyone remember what to look for to find it on YT?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I know we've had this, but still...it's the key thing really at the mo.



Note, start of TMs response "I'm very clear" - i.e - "I'm about to obfuscate".

She doesn't deny her wanton failure. She's a cover up merchant for sex-pests. Any half decent media would be like a dog with a bone on this.

 

[killer b]

It's all over the internet this week, you should be able to find it easily enough. Odd that you've missed it.

 

[ignatious]

There's quite a famous clip of a former chief whip or MI5 guy (I think) admitting that paedos were known about but it was sat on for blackmail. Anyone remember what to look for to find it on YT?

 

[Pickman's model]

I know we've had this, but still...it's the key thing really at the mo.



Note, start of TMs response "I'm very clear" - i.e - "I'm about to obfuscate".

She doesn't deny her wanton failure. She's a cover up merchant for sex-pests. Any half decent media would be like a dog with a bone on this.

she learned it all from margaret hodge, the paedophiles' friend.

when hodge became minister for children in 2003 it was like when kissinger got the peace prize.

 

[RainbowTown]

There's quite a famous clip of a former chief whip or MI5 guy (I think) admitting that paedos were known about but it was sat on for blackmail. Anyone remember what to look for to find it on YT?

Thatcher......Cyril Smith....that nugget of information has been quietly cast aside in the current goings on.

ITwo comments on that:

(1) Her reputation by rights should be in tatters now. But, of course, it won't be.

(2) Criminal prosecution should not only have been pursued against Smith when he was alive, but all those who contributed to the cover up should have been charged as well. Including Thatcher.

 

[Pickman's model]

Thatcher......Cyril Smith....that nugget of information has been quietly cast aside in the current goings on.

ITwo comments on that:

(1) Her reputation by rights should be in tatters now. But, of course, it won't be.

(2) Criminal prosecution should not only have been pursued against Smith when he was alive, but all those who contributed to the cover up should have been charged as well. Including Thatcher.

to be fair there are so many reasons thatcher's rep should be in tatters, and of course there are so many parts of the country where it is in tatters.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

That's the one. Thanks.