Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[J Ed]

First stories beginning to break, has the potential to go on for a long time I suspect. Here are the first...








Brexit Minister Mark Garnier sent his PA to buy sex toys | Daily Mail Online

• International Trade Minister Mark Garnier allegedly called an aide ‘sugar t*ts’

• She said he gave her cash to buy two vibrators at a sex shop in Soho

 

[purenarcotic]

This is so depressing and utterly unsurprising. Urgh.

 

[J Ed]

Stephen Crabb sent young woman sexually explicit messages after rejecting her application for role in his office

A married former cabinet minister sent a young woman sexually explicit messages after rejecting her application for a junior role in his parliamentary office, a Telegraph investigation can disclose.


Stephen Crabb, a devout Christian who stood for the Conservative leadership last year, admitted saying "some pretty outrageous things" to the woman after interviewing her for a job, and that the messages "basically amount to unfaithfulness".


This weekend a friend of the woman said they saw messages in which the father-of-two "said he wanted to have sex with her". The friend accused the MP, who was a government whip at the time, of "abusing his position"

 

[Dogsauce]

Numerous editors right now trying to work out the angle which makes it Corbyn's fault.

 

[Fingers]

 

[Pickman's model]

They'll have to be forced out

 

[Sprocket.]

They'll have to be dragged out

FIFY.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Tory MP 'admits making aide buy sex toys'

 

[Fingers]

Can the Tories not go more than one day without walking into a catastrophe?

 

[Pickman's model]

Can the Tories not go more than one day without walking into a catastrophe?

Yes

But you don't want to see the scale of catastrophe that would produce

 

[Borp]

Stephen crabb's got to go surely. That's the second time he's done this.
His constituency could well go labour in a by-election (bye election). It's currently 43% to 42% con to labour.

 

[Wilf]

If Corbyn has anything about him he will take action about the Labour names on that list. Almost certainly stuff he heard before and hasn't done anything about and won't change the atmosphere at Westminster in itself - and while I'm at it, I'm no cheer leader for Corbyn/Momentum et al anyway. But, as a decision, something he is faced with here and now, he should act - just as a bit of common decency. 'Acting' probably means suspension pending an inquiry and then expulsion depending on the results of the inquiry.

p.s. I know Labour suspended O'mara, just hope they also do so with regard to what are probably more senior/longstanding MPS.

 

[The Fornicator]

I do hope this also results in no more Theresa May cleavage. Carry on like this and Boris Johnson will be parading around with a cod piece. All very, very peculiar.

 

[Wilf]

I do hope this also results in no more Theresa May cleavage. Carry on like this and Boris Johnson will be parading around with a cod piece. All very, very peculiar.

eh?

 

[krtek a houby]

I do hope this also results in no more Theresa May cleavage. Carry on like this and Boris Johnson will be parading around with a cod piece. All very, very peculiar.

 

[Fingers]

I do hope this also results in no more Theresa May cleavage. Carry on like this and Boris Johnson will be parading around with a cod piece. All very, very peculiar.

 

[agricola]

If Corbyn has anything about him he will take action about the Labour names on that list. Almost certainly stuff he heard before and hasn't done anything about and won't change the atmosphere at Westminster in itself - and while I'm at it, I'm no cheer leader for Corbyn/Momentum et al anyway. But, as a decision, something he is faced with here and now, he should act - just as a bit of common decency. 'Acting' probably means suspension pending an inquiry and then expulsion depending on the results of the inquiry.

p.s. I know Labour suspended O'mara, just hope they also do so with regard to what are probably more senior/longstanding MPS.

The problem is how comprehensive the list is - I mean, there is at least one fairly senior Labour MP and ex-minister who has done exactly this sort of thing (as well as having rumours swirl about him being not safe in cabs) and yet there isn't a peep out of the press or his colleagues so far this week, something that is perhaps not unconnected to his anti-Corbyn stance.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Tory MP 'admits making aide buy sex toys'

and will the slimy git try to claim them on expenses?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I may be wrong and I dont follow this stuff in fine detail these days:

I suspect a significant dynamic is that Labour sex-pesting needs to be weaponised to the max, shouted about for days or even weeks...demand this and demand that...isn't Corbyn awful.

Tory transgressions, well it's awful isn't it but the narrative can be moved along after a day or 2

It's a similar dynamic to the anti-semitism thing. It's not the bigotry that's really the issue as far as "news" media and the establishment are concerned, but the colour of the alleged bigots rosette. Tories are allowed to be hateful shits. There is an argument that Labour are meant to behave better, that the hypocrisy is thus greater, but that's not really the point either.

The point is that victims are to be used as pawns, and outrage to be staged or mitigated as necessary

 

[Wilf]

The problem is how comprehensive the list is - I mean, there is at least one fairly senior Labour MP and ex-minister who has done exactly this sort of thing (as well as having rumours swirl about him being not safe in cabs) and yet there isn't a peep out of the press or his colleagues so far this week, something that is perhaps not unconnected to his anti-Corbyn stance.

I agree with, but sort of think Corbyn shouldn't make it look like he does, iyswim. He should go in go in hard whenever plausible complaint are made about a Labour MP/official. As part of such a zero tolerance approach he could no doubt make sure that cases such as the one you mention are raised. Suppose I'm saying it's a good look to go with this wherever it takes the party and whoever gets the whip withdrawn (and, more importantly, the right thing to do).

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Stephen crabb's got to go surely. That's the second time he's done this.
His constituency could well go labour in a by-election (bye election). It's currently 43% to 42% con to labour.

From his point of view why would he or should he though?

Front it out for £80k+ extras, gravy and ego boosts or chuck it all in for the sake of principles that he probably never had?

 

[Beats & Pieces]

The issue here is 'law'. Of the allegations made, how many of the alleged suspects have actually committed an offence?

 

[existentialist]

The issue here is 'law'. Of the allegations made, how many of the alleged suspects have actually committed an offence?

Who says the issue is merely "law"?

It's not against the law to abuse one's position (unless you're in a "position of trust", a legal definition that conveniently excludes MPs) to pressure people for sex, but I'm not convinced that makes it OK.

The fact that you appear to speaks volumes...

 

[existentialist]

From his point of view why would he or should he though?

Front it out for £80k+ extras, gravy and ego boosts or chuck it all in for the sake of principles that he probably never had?

A great deal of effort is going in locally to making sure that he doesn't have to chuck it in

 

[agricola]

The issue here is 'law'. Of the allegations made, how many of the alleged suspects have actually committed an offence?

No it isn't. The issue is whether or not Westminster should held to the same standards of behaviour as Westminster has required business and the public sector to be held to, especially with regards to relations between senior and junior colleagues and vulnerable people who seek assistance from those in power / with power over them.

 

[agricola]

I agree with, but sort of think Corbyn shouldn't make it look like he does, iyswim. He should go in go in hard whenever plausible complaint are made about a Labour MP/official. As part of such a zero tolerance approach he could no doubt make sure that cases such as the one you mention are raised. Suppose I'm saying it's a good look to go with this wherever it takes the party and whoever gets the whip withdrawn (and, more importantly, the right thing to do).

He should, but unless its a universal thing (and it needs to be given that some of his critics are the very people who allowed the badness to flourish) then it will be just used as a stick to beat him with.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

No it isn't. The issue is whether or not Westminster should held to the same standards of behaviour as Westminster has required business and the public sector to be held to, especially with regards to relations between senior and junior colleagues and vulnerable people who seek assistance from those in power / with power over them.

I absolutely agree with you, but what framework are you going to make reference to?

 

[agricola]

I absoultely agree with you, but what framework are you going to make reference to?

They are sworn Crown servants, so basically I'd look to what other sworn Crown servants have to sign up to - including not exploiting ones office for personal gain - and basically go from there.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The issue here is 'law'. Of the allegations made, how many of the alleged suspects have actually committed an offence?

cobblers.

there are plenty of things most people could do at work that would get them in to trouble and possibly sacked under their employer's rules and procedures, that are not illegal.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

They are sworn Crown servants, so basically I'd look to what other sworn Crown servants have to sign up to - including not exploiting ones office for personal gain - and basically go from there.

I agree, so what framework is that? And, if the law / codes of practice etc are not breached - what then - an expansion of the law and codes to encompass all possible forms of behaviour and interaction? It is a slippery slope.