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Welfare for families in or out of work was implemented around 60yrs ago.. this government have come up with a massive restructure of the welfare system and it took them 6 months.. I'd like to know what happens to the children of those who lose all benifits for up to 3yrs if the "head" of the family refuses to work.. any ideas?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546
some Tory Lord was shoved onto Newsnight and could only say the children of those losing all benifits would be "looked after" ?
 
This Tory gubmnt is going against and trying to make savings within an area where there is not a soul really gonna stand up against new pilicy.. The sick.. out of work.. What union do we have to state our case.. None.. Most/some might think it's unfair.. What voice do we have in reality.. This Gubmnt knows that..

No stopping the bastards eh.. they can do what they like to us cos we aint gathered together to say no.. Last I remeber was the hunger marches in the 30's.. when the unemployed and starving Marched Against Westminster Monsters... My father was there.. I hope I can stand in his stead and march for the homeless and starving in my generation.. We just need a bit of help..
 
The Tories are going ahead with ill thought out policies, at least Thatcher had a plan of what was going to happen as a result of those free market policies. These lot don't seem to know or care what will happen to people when they introduce their credit based benefit system. More kids in care, more crime and less social stability more than likely. They seem to forget why they went along with social democracy in the first place but I hope they get reminded and never take government again afterwards.
 
The Tory Lord was David Freud, a merchant banker who has no background in social policy at all and was the NL advisor to Purnell until he crossed the floor, he is a very very odious and unpleasant individual and capable of very brutal statement and actions. Smith and the banker Freud have just introduced the most draconian welfare changes since the Victorian era, (so much so that Newsnight had images of the workhouse in its package on them)these will ultimately have much more of an effect and much deeper than the tuition fees, however awful they are, yet 70% of the public in a Ch4 poll support them ,some want to go further. There just hasn’t been a defence of welfare, etc to challenge these opinions, still isn’t imo.
 
The beast was created by NL though: James Purnell first proposed the Universal Work Credit, Caroline Flint kiteflyed tying social housing to actively seeking work and limited tenures, NL also have their own plans to limit DLA and make medicals more brutal like with ESA. They are fully committed to welfare reform

We are like the US, there is no genuine parliamentary opposition

btw

vicious medicals for disabled people under fire

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/...ealth-tests-unjust-charities?&CMP=EMCSOCEML65
 
Iain-Duncan-Smith-welfare-006.jpg



The Mad Monk himself...
 
Roonster said:
Welfare for families in or out of work was implemented around 60yrs ago.. this government have come up with a massive restructure of the welfare system and it took them 6 months.. I'd like to know what happens to the children of those who lose all benifits for up to 3yrs if the "head" of the family refuses to work.. any ideas?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546
some Tory Lord was shoved onto Newsnight and could only say the children of those losing all benifits would be "looked after" ?
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Care, because that's been such a shining success in producing well-rounded children, hasn't it?
Looked after? They don't give a fuck.
 
K-R-M said:
The Tories are going ahead with ill thought out policies, at least Thatcher had a plan of what was going to happen as a result of those free market policies. These lot don't seem to know or care what will happen to people when they introduce their credit based benefit system. More kids in care, more crime and less social stability more than likely. They seem to forget why they went along with social democracy in the first place but I hope they get reminded and never take government again afterwards.
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This lot seem to believe that they punch out a large enough beachhead quickly enough (in a political equivalent of "Shock and Awe") that any opposition (and I don't mean those supine Labour cunts) won't be able to significantly mobilise against the cuts and their effects.
 
Roonster said:
Welfare for families in or out of work was implemented around 60yrs ago.. this government have come up with a massive restructure of the welfare system and it took them 6 months.. I'd like to know what happens to the children of those who lose all benifits for up to 3yrs if the "head" of the family refuses to work.. any ideas?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11728546
some Tory Lord was shoved onto Newsnight and could only say the children of those losing all benifits would be "looked after" ?
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It's not that big of a shake up, it's slight restructuring and extending of what the previous government had in place.
 
K-R-M said:
The Tories are going ahead with ill thought out policies, at least Thatcher had a plan of what was going to happen as a result of those free market policies. These lot don't seem to know or care what will happen to people when they introduce their credit based benefit system. More kids in care, more crime and less social stability more than likely. They seem to forget why they went along with social democracy in the first place but I hope they get reminded and never take government again afterwards.
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I suggest, rather than pontificating about something that you clearly know little about, you read this.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/universal-credit-full-document.pdf

There is nothing here that any reasonable person could object to.
 
treelover said:
The Tory Lord was David Freud, a merchant banker who has no background in social policy at all and was the NL advisor to Purnell until he crossed the floor, he is a very very odious and unpleasant individual and capable of very brutal statement and actions. Smith and the banker Freud have just introduced the most draconian welfare changes since the Victorian era, (so much so that Newsnight had images of the workhouse in its package on them)these will ultimately have much more of an effect and much deeper than the tuition fees, however awful they are, yet 70% of the public in a Ch4 poll support them ,some want to go further. There just hasn’t been a defence of welfare, etc to challenge these opinions, still isn’t imo.
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It may surprise Urban, which appears to live in a bubble, totally divorced from real life, that the majority of the population want to see welfare tied to responsibility.
 
XR75 said:
It's not that big of a shake up, it's slight restructuring and extending of what the previous government had in place.
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The proposals are excellent.

Figure 3 on the document shows how benefits will remain in place as income rises, not disappearing completely until net income goes over £600.00 PW.

Other aspects, like allowing someone with periodic employment t earn more without losing any benefit is better than the current system.

A streamlined process where someone can return to the level of benefits tjhey had previously if a job doesn't work out, is better than at present.

as I said, read the document, you can hen talk from fact, not hysterical left wing conjecture.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
You think it reasonable that in an economy which cannot guarantee employment, let alone employment which pays wages above the poverty line, people should be forced to work under threat of destitution?

Louis MacNeice
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Yes. Absolutely. If you wish to disengage from society, you are perfectly free to do so, however, don't expect society to support you.

As you are well aware, there are no plans to ' destitute ' those who are jobless where there are no jobs.

' We want to ensure that people are encouraged to take jobs of only a few hours
a week if this is all that is possible for them in the short term. To achieve this we will allow some groups to earn significantly more before their benefit starts to be withdrawn. The level of these earnings disregards will reflect the needs of different families to ensure that work pays. '
 
Blagsta said:
you're quite mad
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Fair enough. By your judgment so are 70% of the population. It is you, and your like who are unbalanced. Financially illiterate, you seem to think that money sprouts out of the ground.

Have you read the proposals? If not, you are, as usual, spouting shite.

For your convenience. http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/universal-credit-full-document.pdf

Edited to add:

Impact on benefits in payment
12. In most cases Universal Credit will provide a similar or higher level of support than the current system. In particular, benefit rates for people not in work will generally be the same as under the current system.
13. The Government is committed to ensuring that no-one loses as a direct result of these reforms. If the amount of Universal Credit a person is entitled to is less than the amount they were getting under the old system, an additional amount will be paid to ensure that they will be no worse off in cash terms.
 
ViolentPanda said:
This lot seem to believe that they punch out a large enough beachhead quickly enough (in a political equivalent of "Shock and Awe") that any opposition (and I don't mean those supine Labour cunts) won't be able to significantly mobilise against the cuts and their effects.
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Have you read the proposals?
 
Sasaferrato said:
It may surprise Urban, which appears to live in a bubble, totally divorced from real life, that the majority of the population want to see welfare tied to responsibility.
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Most people want to rant about benefits regardless of the realities situation when if anything it's the DWP that needs to be more responsible.
 
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