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As many of my veggie friends are going full vegan I’ve been looking at ways to cater for this change. To this end I’ve been making vegan sausages - using the liquid from a tin of chick peas as a binder and it works surprisingly well. As a lapsed veggie (married to a committed carnivore) I’m so pleased with the results I don’t think I will ever eat a conventional meaty banger again.
 
As many of my veggie friends are going full vegan I’ve been looking at ways to cater for this change. To this end I’ve been making vegan sausages - using the liquid from a tin of chick peas as a binder and it works surprisingly well. As a lapsed veggie (married to a committed carnivore) I’m so pleased with the results I don’t think I will ever eat a conventional meaty banger again.
Could you pop the recipe up please. I bought some truly awful vegan sausages the other day. Tasted like they had cloves in (just says spices on the ingredients) and were the most disgusting thing Ive ever tried.
 
Veganism baffles me, it really does. You live in a developed country, with access to properly nutritious food, and yet you've all made a conscious choice to eat the same diet (i.e 100% plant-based) as those in the developing world eat, y'know countries where malnutrition is endemic, y'know countries where they can't afford to eat meat, and yet somehow there are millions of people in developed countries who eat this diet by choice because they believe it to be 'healthy'! Quelle etrange as the French would say!

Malnutrition is not caused by a total lack of food, but a lack of the right food and, as Homo sapiens is an obligate carnivore which has chosen to add a few plants to its diet, it therefore lacks the enzyme necessary to extract nutrition from plants (e.g. oxalase for breaking down oxalic acid (found in dark green leafy veg) and phytic acid (found in all grains)). Remember, something is only an "excellent source" of a certain nutrient if the organism consuming it has the wherewithal to break it down to extract the nutrition, otherwise it has zero nutritional value.

Another thing is that we lack the bacteria necessary to synthesise B12, which is another reason why we must eat meat. A vegan diet is also very high in monounsaturated fats which are, along with grains, a leading cause of obesity and heart disease. In order to receive the correct nutrition, it is imperative that an organism eats the diet it evolved to eat, and the physiology of Homo sapiens is not far removed from that of Canis lupus, Panthera leo, or Ursus arctos.

Because a PBD is nutritionally poor, thousands - millions - more hectares of land are required to grow crops, which will intensify deforestation. If you're vegan because you believe it's cruel to kill animals, then what about all the animals which are killed when the Amazon is deforested…? They're (critically) endangered, why would you rather they died just so you didn't have to eat a cow (or a pig, or a sheep or a chicken…? There are fewer than 2,000 brown spider monkeys left in the wild, I think I'd rather kill a pastured cow (of which there are over 1.8 billion on Earth) than a critically endangered monkey, but each to their own.

Finally, do you ever consider how your food gets to you…? It's predominantly air-freighted - how's that helping to save the planet…?

Being vegan is extremely myopic (not to mention somewhat hypocritical). If you want to be vegan, be vegan, but just don't kid yourself that it's healthy and/or will save the planet, just please ensure you're supplementing, otherwise you'll end up malnourished. You'll need iron, zinc, magnesium, manganese, calcium, selenium, iodine, potassium, copper, full spectrum B complex, plus fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E and K (because a vegan diet is devoid of animal fats, vegans are often deficient in fat-soluble vitamins) and, for the sake of your heart you really need to add a saturated fat source, lard is the gold-standard (it's highly nutritious) but as you won't eat meat and animal fats, then EVCO is the next best thing, good source of MCTs too.
 
Veganism baffles me, it really does. You live in a developed country, with access to properly nutritious food, and yet you've all made a conscious choice to eat the same diet (i.e 100% plant-based) as those in the developing world eat, y'know countries where malnutrition is endemic, y'know countries where they can't afford to eat meat, and yet somehow there are millions of people in developed countries who eat this diet by choice because they believe it to be 'healthy'! Quelle etrange as the French would say!

Malnutrition is not caused by a total lack of food, but a lack of the right food and, as Homo sapiens is an obligate carnivore which has chosen to add a few plants to its diet, it therefore lacks the enzyme necessary to extract nutrition from plants (e.g. oxalase for breaking down oxalic acid (found in dark green leafy veg) and phytic acid (found in all grains)). Remember, something is only an "excellent source" of a certain nutrient if the organism consuming it has the wherewithal to break it down to extract the nutrition, otherwise it has zero nutritional value.

Another thing is that we lack the bacteria necessary to synthesise B12, which is another reason why we must eat meat. A vegan diet is also very high in monounsaturated fats which are, along with grains, a leading cause of obesity and heart disease. In order to receive the correct nutrition, it is imperative that an organism eats the diet it evolved to eat, and the physiology of Homo sapiens is not far removed from that of Canis lupus, Panthera leo, or Ursus arctos.

Because a PBD is nutritionally poor, thousands - millions - more hectares of land are required to grow crops, which will intensify deforestation. If you're vegan because you believe it's cruel to kill animals, then what about all the animals which are killed when the Amazon is deforested…? They're (critically) endangered, why would you rather they died just so you didn't have to eat a cow (or a pig, or a sheep or a chicken…? There are fewer than 2,000 brown spider monkeys left in the wild, I think I'd rather kill a pastured cow (of which there are over 1.8 billion on Earth) than a critically endangered monkey, but each to their own.

Finally, do you ever consider how your food gets to you…? It's predominantly air-freighted - how's that helping to save the planet…?

Being vegan is extremely myopic (not to mention somewhat hypocritical). If you want to be vegan, be vegan, but just don't kid yourself that it's healthy and/or will save the planet, just please ensure you're supplementing, otherwise you'll end up malnourished. You'll need iron, zinc, magnesium, manganese, calcium, selenium, iodine, potassium, copper, full spectrum B complex, plus fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E and K (because a vegan diet is devoid of animal fats, vegans are often deficient in fat-soluble vitamins) and, for the sake of your heart you really need to add a saturated fat source, lard is the gold-standard (it's highly nutritious) but as you won't eat meat and animal fats, then EVCO is the next best thing, good source of MCTs too.
This is a thread for vegan info & support, not sprawling, half baked lectures accusing vegans of being myopic, hypocritical or whatever. There's already enough of those posts here already thanks.

I'm not even interested in hearing you summon up some equally half baked defence that your post is somehow being supportive of veganism, so you're banned from this thread. The good news is that there's plenty more places on this forum where you can nitpick away at vegans and call them all sorts of names without ruining a useful resource. Enjoy.
 
Knowing the way she's lived for years and the life-threatening state of her health on account of that (and that she won't read this) methinks she doth protest too much ...
 
People go on about proselytising vegetarians/vegans, but actually carnivores can be far worse - and because they are in the majority it is more insidious.

Most people on a vegan diet do not get ill, it's ridiculous, fuck off from this thread because it isn't for you to come here and preach. (This aimed at whoever was doing so, I thought I quoted but apparently messed up - if you weren't saying that then this doesn't apply to you)
 
I am presuming this is a traces problem rather than it being an actual ingredient though? Very negligent nonetheless.
 
I had a good chat with a veggie mate last night about “Impossible Burgers” and the like - particularly the notion that, within the food industry, it is assumed that the gold standard of burgers and sausages is held by the meat versions so when making veggie versions they must replicate these characteristics as much as possible. He told me he’d eaten in a place recently that had a menu that assumed vegan to be the base line and marked other dishes as (v) for veggie and (m) for meat

Ignoring the fact that burgers and sausages are just shapes that food comes in, I am not really bothered if my burger (meaty or not) bleeds or, if making a non-meat sausage, the manufacturer decides to replicate lumps of gristle that you occasionally come across. Anyway we agreed that taste is first and foremost and food should be judged on that alone (regardless of content) with meat not assumed to be the default. The way that menu was laid out - marking meat as being the exception - is an interesting take on how food is perceived and may go some way to stop veggie/vegan being viewed as some strange niche option.
 
Everybody here knows about oat pancakes, right? The basic batter is just rolled oats and water - a stick blender is the easiest way to do it. They are surprisingly fluffy and delicious.

They're now my default weekend breakfast. This morning I put chopped apple and cinnamon in them and just had them with maple syrup, often I have them with a couple of veggie sausages too.

Here's my basic recipe for about 8 pancakes.

Basic ingredients:
  • 75g of rolled oats (if no scales, this is about 2/3 of a mug)
  • 1 tsp baking powder
  • A big pinch of salt, more than you'd think
  • Nut/oat milk to blend, less than you'd think
I usually add:
  • A tablespoon of flour
  • A tablespoon of milled seeds
  • A couple of teaspoonfuls of sugar
  • The seeds from one cardamom pod
  • A small chunk of creamed coconut - about 1 dsstsp
Other things you can add:
  • A chopped apple (you can blend this in or not)
  • A banana
  • Berries
  • Seeds, nuts
  • Cinnamon
  • Vanilla
Then fry spoonfuls in a medium hot greased pan as usual.
 
Everybody here knows about oat pancakes, right? The basic batter is just rolled oats and water - a stick blender is the easiest way to do it. They are surprisingly fluffy and delicious.

They're now my default weekend breakfast. This morning I put chopped apple and cinnamon in them and just had them with maple syrup, often I have them with a couple of veggie sausages too.

Here's my basic recipe for about 8 pancakes.

Basic ingredients:
  • 75g of rolled oats (if no scales, this is about 2/3 of a mug)
  • 1 tsp baking powder
  • A big pinch of salt, more than you'd think
  • Nut/oat milk to blend, less than you'd think
I usually add:
  • A tablespoon of flour
  • A tablespoon of milled seeds
  • A couple of teaspoonfuls of sugar
  • The seeds from one cardamom pod
  • A small chunk of creamed coconut - about 1 dsstsp
Other things you can add:
  • A chopped apple (you can blend this in or not)
  • A banana
  • Berries
  • Seeds, nuts
  • Cinnamon
  • Vanilla
Then fry spoonfuls in a medium hot greased pan as usual.
They sound delicious.
 
Naturli Spreadable is back

From Naturli:
Naturli' Spreadable is back in stock in the UK!

Yes! Fresh supply of your bread's best plant-based friend has hit the shelves of Sainsbury's!

Also, we're excited to let you know that Spreadable soon will be in even more stores: Later this month we'll add another 372 Sainsbury's super and convenience stores to the Naturli' family
 
Further to the research showing that vegans might have a teeny increased risk of one kind of stroke, I'm thinking I may be a bit low on LDL and "good" fat generally ("omega 3") according to some authorities.
I suppose this is one good thing to come out of my research into what's "optimal" for reducing exposure to elevated glucose ... and it's similar in that health authorities are bound to set arbitrary thresholds before taking action.
I turn 60 next year - and have to come up with a new pattern of life.

I'm guessing the 114g of body fat I'm currently burning per day doesn't qualify and that will (hopefully) run out by early next year.
At the moment I'm chomping on a lot of nuts ... it remains to be seen if that will mess up my weight loss.

I don't set out to add fat to my diet - apart from tahini on a daily basis and peanut butter on my weekend toast.
I gave up ruining my bread with hemp seeds and ground flax, but I have some on my weekday breakfast cereal ... and my gut instinct is that I do well on nuts grains and seeds ...

Are any here supplementing with algal oil ?
I'm a bit of a seaweed fan and would take to it more readily if I could only brew something up with actual seaweed ... I don't like popping pills and it's also expensive.



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Further to the research showing that vegans might have a teeny increased risk of one kind of stroke, I'm thinking I may be a bit low on LDL and "good" fat generally ("omega 3") according to some authorities.
I suppose this is one good thing to come out of my research into what's "optimal" for reducing exposure to elevated glucose ... and it's similar in that health authorities are bound to set arbitrary thresholds before taking action.
I turn 60 next year - and have to come up with a new pattern of life.

I'm guessing the 114g of body fat I'm currently burning per day doesn't qualify and that will (hopefully) run out by early next year.
At the moment I'm chomping on a lot of nuts ... it remains to be seen if that will mess up my weight loss.

I don't set out to add fat to my diet - apart from tahini on a daily basis and peanut butter on my weekend toast.
I gave up ruining my bread with hemp seeds and ground flax, but I have some on my weekday breakfast cereal ... and my gut instinct is that I do well on nuts grains and seeds ...

Are any here supplementing with algal oil ?
I'm a bit of a seaweed fan and would take to it more readily if I could only brew something up with actual seaweed ... I don't like popping pills and it's also expensive.
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Your scientific approach to your diet is mind-blowing. I'm just going to embrace the health risks of older age - who wants to live forever anyway?
 
Your scientific approach to your diet is mind-blowing. I'm just going to embrace the health risks of older age - who wants to live forever anyway?
It's healthy years that's important.
I have lots of things I haven't done yet - like cycling hundreds of miles rather than tens, kayaking tens of miles, swimming several miles on a regular basis - and learning to free-dive ... and I want to be doing those things well into my 70s.

My diabetes diagnosis back in June made me realise it was up to me to a fairly large extent and the information I got from the NHS, support groups AND "vegan doctors" turned out to be hopeless and geared towards managing the condition - rather than getting my finger out and getting past it.
I don't want the next chronic illness to take me by surprise - though I've probably got cardiac health sorted.

If you think I'm obsessing a bit, check out Rhonda Patrick .. her particular interest is Saunas and cold baths ...
 
By "vegan doctor" do you mean a GP who isn't going to respond to every vague symptom with "have a steak", or something else entirely?
 
By "vegan doctor" do you mean a GP who isn't going to respond to every vague symptom with "have a steak", or something else entirely?
No - the Internet celebrity ones - McDougall, Klaper, even recently Barnard and possibly even Greger (who I recently heard espouse "organic" and "GM free"- all those who were behind that dreadful "documentary" "What The Health" where they kept plugging at "carbs don't make you fat" and "diabetes is a disease only caused by the standard western diet" - that then gets parroted by hideous sycophantic Youtubers like "happy Healthy Vegan" and thence to tens of thousands of followers ...
The only Vegan youtuber I follow at all now is "Unnatural Vegan" because she goes to the trouble of cutting through all that bullshit.
 
Earlier in the week I went to an Ethiopian café in Dalston which was 100% vegan and really good food. A little pricey for a workday lunch in all honesty (£6 per head for a sharing plate), but very good grub.
 
Earlier in the week I went to an Ethiopian café in Dalston which was 100% vegan and really good food. A little pricey for a workday lunch in all honesty (£6 per head for a sharing plate), but very good grub.

Sounds like the one I’ve been to. Those big flatbready things that are almost a bit “crumpetty”?
 
I've noticed now that there are actually what seem to be a few vegan cafés in Dalston - probably all fairly pricey though! As nice as the food is, a tesco meal deal is going to work out better over a 4 week contract than £6-£10 a day on lunches!

I'd certainly try them as a one off, but going to any restaurant for lunch daily is too expensive.
 
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