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Cerv said:
it’s going to be bad.
our management have said they’re working on a projection of 40% reduction in tuition income from the Sept 2020 entrants now
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Just been talking about this and it doesn't sound good. There was a fallout after brexit and the current crisis won't help. September could be very telling.
 
got an email from the roman society, of which i have the honour to be a member, and they report university of london closed until at least august: so don't suppose other people back until then or thereabouts either.
 
Given the uncertainty, that makes sense I guess, that's if everyone even gets to go back; I am guessing some won't be returning :(
 
We've had an email this afternoon saying that the University needs to furlough at least 1,000 staff starting with Facilities, Security and the Library in phase 1, then they'll look at furloughing people with caring responsibilities (children & elderly parents). They're going to top up the 80% salary from the government to 100% so you won't lose out on pay. I'm tempted to volunteer as it would make looking after the children a lot easier if I didn't have to try to support research proposals at the same time. Let's see what happens....
 
I hope our place continues to keep up the good PR in comparision to some of the posts on here. Close days for next week have now been extended to include the whole of next week. Staff are NOT being forced to take this as annual leave, and if you did have the days booked off, you'll be given them back. Only caveats are those in security/estates and those working directly on COVID-19 research or other vital work.

The lab I work in continues to make hand santiser and is now using the 3D printers to make PPE. All at the cost of the University. I believe some other 3D printers from around the place are also being moved into the lab to improve the production line.

Just waiting for the eventual email that throws all this down the drain!
 
Maybe most of the unis will all go completely bust and then have to be properly state funded again.

I guess the greedy VCs will still walk away with a pretty penny though. Bit worrying the job losses etc already though...
 
Aren't most/all Unis charitable trusts? It's a very different sort of process to a company going bust.
 
Some "public" schools are a charity, not uni's that I know of, apart from Oxford Brookes Structure and governance - Oxford Brookes University

"The University has charitable status but is not required to be registered by virtue of being an exempt charity under schedule 3 of the Charities Act 2011. Consequently, the University has no charity registration number and is regulated principally by the Office for Students (previously, until 1 April 2018, by the Higher Education Funding Council for England"
 
Chz said:
Aren't most/all Unis charitable trusts? It's a very different sort of process to a company going bust.
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All universities are considered to be charities, albeit incorporated as Civil or Higher Education Corporations, giving them the ability to have charitable status while still being regulated by the Office for Students, rather than the Charity Commission (although a small number are regulated by the Charity Commision, rather confusingly). More here if you're interested: Universities in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
 
I work for a large distance-learning university :hmm: and we're all working from home, and I've never been busier!
We're uniquely placed to weather this storm, but it has presented a number of challenges around exams etc.
They've been fairly good at supporting staff so far, doubling paid contingency leave from 10 days to 20 days for parents of school-age children for a start.
 
Apparently I'm not eligible to be furloughed as I'm operationally essential = if we are awarded research grants at least that's some cashflow coming in. Feeling rather more nervous after this afternoon's meeting, I think the university sector is in for a rough ride :(
 
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I think a few Uni labs may be involved in antigen testing, especially as the numbers are to ramp up so much, and others are involved in consortia developing medical equipment for Gov/NHS.
 
Marketization huh? :(

Durham going for "minimum viable operations".

Old Tories will love a cull of the povo Unis won't they?

Sector is fucked.

Which will, in turn, cause mayhem in schools.
 
I think no-one knows yet.
I was in a meeting about clearing this week, and the basic takeaway was "Number look good, but the numbers are meaningless until we reach the deadline for deferral".
 
whether you count them as separate institutions or not seems less important than the total student number capacity across all universities

if the question is “is the UK’s university sector too big / should we let it be cut down by closing some?"
 
chilango said:
Be interesting to see what % of students at these Universities are overseas students.
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I think this is what you are looking for.

Table 1 - HE student enrolments by HE provider 2014/15 to 2021/22 | HESA

www.hesa.ac.uk www.hesa.ac.uk

Domicile split by UK / other EU / non-EU, i.e. where they are ordinarily permanently resident when not enrolled at the UK uni in question.
NB not always the same as whether they’d be paying capped £9,250 UK fees or unregulated overseas student fees, but corresponds for the vast majority.
And usefully HESA do split out UCL, KCL as separate lines from the University of London

It varies lot: St Georges 8% non-UK, LSE 68% to pick two extremes
 
Cerv said:
I think this is what you are looking for.

Table 1 - HE student enrolments by HE provider 2014/15 to 2021/22 | HESA

www.hesa.ac.uk www.hesa.ac.uk

Domicile split by UK / other EU / non-EU, i.e. where they are ordinarily permanently resident when not enrolled at the UK uni in question.
NB not always the same as whether they’d be paying capped £9,250 UK fees or unregulated overseas student fees, but corresponds for the vast majority.
And usefully HESA do split out UCL, KCL as separate lines from the University of London

It varies lot: St Georges 8% non-UK, LSE 68% to pick two extremes
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Strange that many small institutes listed separately but not the colleges of Oxford or Cambridge
 
yes, it’s an historical oddity.
either HESA or University Challenge should change their rules to match. Not bothered which way, but consistency would be nice.
 
Cerv said:
I think this is what you are looking for.

Table 1 - HE student enrolments by HE provider 2014/15 to 2021/22 | HESA

www.hesa.ac.uk www.hesa.ac.uk

Domicile split by UK / other EU / non-EU, i.e. where they are ordinarily permanently resident when not enrolled at the UK uni in question.
NB not always the same as whether they’d be paying capped £9,250 UK fees or unregulated overseas student fees, but corresponds for the vast majority.
And usefully HESA do split out UCL, KCL as separate lines from the University of London

It varies lot: St Georges 8% non-UK, LSE 68% to pick two extremes
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Eesh, about 1/3 foreign intake where I am. We're screwed.
 
A few weeks ago Mrs T was preparing to apply for promotion; last night she started fearing redundancy.
Radio 4 this morning was reporting redundancies and Uni's going bust. Sorry, I don't have access to the FT
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UWE's VC making an online presentation at 11am today - I hope he lives up to his quarter million pound salary ...
 
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