I already said that it was fucking horrible I even had a go at the BBC for their propaganda about United Ukraine supporters
Maybe there are members of the Ukrainian military who want to keep Ukraine united and want to see peace? Maybe the people who set fire to the building in Odessa want to start a war and want to see Ukraine divided? Maybe they are not on the same "side" at all?How about some condemnation of the torching of the Trade Union building? The people in the helicopter are on the same side as the murdering fascist cunts that carried out that atrocity so obviously I'll lose no sleep if they come a croper.
You missing the point.The reality is that none of us actually know how much weight they carry on the anti-Kiev side - we know more about the pro-Kiev side but still not enough. That's why I think doing the kind of stuff seventh bullet has been doing - serious research that informs us of stuff we didn't know about before - would be a lot better than making confident declarations about differences in magnitude ...)
You missing the point.
If no one knows what's going on then it won't help seventh bullet much if the government are locking people up for opposing them. At some point he'll only have their word to go on..
You missing the point.
If no one knows what's going on then it won't help seventh bullet much if the government are locking people up for opposing them. At some point he'll only have their word to go on..
I should have looked at all the photos posted on his VK page. There are loads in his OD album, but not sure if the people in them (including the march you refer to) are his fellow Black Hundred mates or locals. It looks like he was welcome at their tent, if not the wider camp.
His LiveJournal account. It appears he wasn't happy about 'Jews' at the camp.
Does anyone know much about what org that flag belongs to? Jewish Insurgent Army. The one on the left says Russia Protect/s. Was it an anti-Semitic insult and he was too thick to get it? Or something else?
People here have been predicting the chances of civil war and a devided Ukraine since the violence started on Maiden. De-escalations were offered but the protesters in Kiev did'nt let up.Maybe there are members of the Ukrainian military who want to keep Ukraine united and want to see peace? Maybe the people who set fire to the building in Odessa want to start a war and want to see Ukraine divided? Maybe they are not on the same "side" at all?
They won't lock up everyone who opposes them because they can't, for both practical and political reasons - surely you recognise this? even the original fascists - who were far better organised and ruthless than this bunch, who are mere amateurs in comparison, and had far more resources at their disposal - never came close to managing it. And even if they had done that wouldn't have hindered his research because most of it was historical. Besides, saying fascist a lot on the internet won't stop people being locked up so our time is still better spent trying to figure out what's actually going off rather than picking a side, sticking with it and becoming amusingly abusive when the antifascist credentials of that side are called into question (that bit's not you to be fair).
OK chief. So as long as we can research it , then it's fine what the gov are doing. got it.They won't lock up everyone who opposes them because they can't, for both practical and political reasons - surely you recognise this? even the original fascists - who were far better organised and ruthless than this bunch, who are mere amateurs in comparison, and had far more resources at their disposal - never came close to managing it. And even if they had done that wouldn't have hindered his research because most of it was historical. Besides, saying fascist a lot on the internet won't stop people being locked up so our time is still better spent trying to figure out what's actually going off rather than picking a side, sticking with it and becoming amusingly abusive when the antifascist credentials of that side are called into question (that bit's not you to be fair).
OK chief. So as long as we can research it , then it's fine what the gov are doing. got it.
That sort of logic gets you labelled a fascist supporter on heresurely the solution here is to work out which side has the largest number of most fervent fascists and oppose them. Logic.
People here have been predicting the chances of civil war and a devided Ukraine since the violence started on Maiden. De-escalations were offered but the protesters in Kiev did'nt let up.
Luckily for Svoboda and RS the military didn't "target" maidan square with helicopter gunships when they were bumrushing the peaceful protests to overthrow a democratically elected government. Why do you think the military have suddenly decided to get their toys out now?
No. It was sarcasm.Did he say that?
Did he say that?
They're helicopter gunships... Choppers just sounds to cute.Svoboda and the right sector aren't the only ones who're lucky that didn't happen though are they? I imagine there would have been more innocent deaths than fascist ones. Do we have any evidence that Kiev have targeted the anti-maidan 'side' with helecopter gunships? In other words, do we know the choppers were there to fire on people rather than, say, surveylance or transportation? Genuine question - I have no idea.
How many "sides" are there exactly?surely the solution here is to work out which side has the largest number of most fervent fascists and oppose them. Logic.
No. It was sarcasm.
Reflecting the logic I got from his post
Other people read this thread you know. Millions of people read this forum from other countries.
How many "sides" are there exactly?
That sort of logic gets you labelled a fascist supporter on here
Seriously, do you think the gov sending in helicopter gunships and tanks is de-escalating the situation?Maybe there are members of the Ukrainian military who want to keep Ukraine united and want to see peace?
i wouldn't expect anything lessYou realise he was taking the piss right?
Seriously, do you think the gov sending in helicopter gunships and tanks is de-escalating the situation?
I was replying to "The people in the helicopter are on the same side as the murdering fascist cunts that carried out that atrocity" and pointing out that there may well be many members of the Ukrainian armed forces that do not share any motivations or political beliefs with the people who set fire to the building in Odessa.Seriously, do you think the gov sending in helicopter gunships and tanks is de-escalating the situation?
Other people read this thread you know. Millions of people read this forum from other countries.
No they dont
No sorry mate I don't see any evidence for anyone outside the regular contributors and maybe a few third rate Yahoo journos reads this forumNot millions lol they do read it though.