Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[SpineyNorman]

Did they succeed?

No. Not really got any more info than that right now though, should know more after Wednesday night - belboid might know more than me cos apparently there was a left unity meeting in the same building at the time.

 

[belboid]

Did they succeed?

nope, they were surprised at how many SWP there were (about 30) that they just chanted for a few minutes whilst being slowly walked out of the building. A couple of them did come into our LU meeting (on Scotland) but left quickly. Whether they didn't realise we were lefties, or just thought we were really boring, it's hard to tell.

There were five of them, who then buggered off to the pub. You couldn't ask for a more stereotypical EDLer. All looked in their fifites, the worse for many years of drinking and mouthing off. We're going to see more n more of this kind of thing.

 

[JTG]

Chanted whilst chanting eh?

 

[belboid]

Chanted whilst chanting eh?

where does it say that?????




ahem...

 

[SpineyNorman]

Whether they didn't realise we were lefties, or just thought we were really boring, it's hard to tell.

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive - maybe the boredom is what made them realise you were lefties

 

[JTG]

where does it say that?????




ahem...

Must have imagined it

 

[gosub]

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/06/03/why-people-voted-ukip/

 

[treelover]

By far the biggest losers in last week’s poll were David Cameron, and his useless, dying Tory Party.
So you will have to ask yourselves why the London media spent the first half of the week claiming that Ed Miliband was the one in trouble.
It is easier to see why the elite media spent the second half of the week snapping at the corpse of the Liberal Democrats, for they also did very badly. But you’d think it had been a Tory triumph.
The really interesting thing is that it isn’t just the Tories’ media chums who are doing this. Many Left-wing types are involved. This is because the New Labour media faction have rightly recognised David Cameron as what he says he is, the true heir to Blair.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Dodgy-Dave-make-poll-disaster-disappear.html

Hitchens article on the real losers in last weeks elections and the cover up, mentions the Guardians role as well

D/Mail article, usual proviso's but some useful insights.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Does Hitchens even vote?

 

[butchersapron]

What sort of response to the article is that?

 

[DairyQueen]

Hitchens article on the real losers in last weeks elections and the cover up, mentions the Guardians role as well

D/Mail article, usual proviso's but some useful insights.

I never knew how lucky I was in my schooldays.
As a matter of course, I was taught the history of my country – especially its great struggles against tyranny at home and abroad.
And I was taught its literature, which, like our dark and clouded landscape, now forms part of my character.
Hardly a day passes when I do not meet Wilkins Micawber or Uriah Heep, or Pip Pirrip, or Mr Polly, come to that.

It is very difficult for me to work out if Hitchens genuinely believes harking back to an extreme anglocentric view of the 19th century will actually win the Tories some of UKIP's votes, if he believes it will make our land 'great' again regardless or if he is just saying this stuff to stay in a job.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It is very difficult for me to work out if Hitchens genuinely believes harking back to an extreme anglocentric view of the 19th century will actually win the Tories some of UKIP's votes, if he believes it will make our land 'great' again regardless or if he is just saying this stuff to stay in a job.

Two seperate items.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Hitchens is a strange one - reactionary as they come yet I don't find him anywhere near as offensive or irritating as Phillips, liddle, littlejohn etc. Always remember being amused that in the debate with his brother over the Iraq war Peter was the one arguing against it.

 

[Roadkill]

Hitchens is a strange one - reactionary as they come yet I don't find him anywhere near as offensive or irritating as Phillips, liddle, littlejohn etc. Always remember being amused that in the debate with his brother over the Iraq war Peter was the one arguing against it.

I've a certain sneaking respect for Hitchens. He's wrong on most things and barmy on a few others, but every so often - such as with ID cards and suchlike - he hits the nail on the head. He's not a bad foreign correspondent either. Tbh I like his writing style as well - eloquent, but not laboured: it's just a shame so much of the content is drivel.

 

[laptop]

Hitchens article on the real losers in last weeks elections and the cover up, mentions the Guardians role as well
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Dodgy-Dave-make-poll-disaster-disappear.html
D/Mail article, usual proviso's but some useful insights.

All I learned from that is that Hitchens hates Cameron more than I was aware - which was not surprising given that I try not to be aware of Hitchens.

What's odd is what's not in it - support for UKIP. I conclude it's part of a leadership battle in the Tory Party. Oh, look, the next item defends Gove.

And this morning: Gove attacks Theresa May, Crispin Blunt attacks Gove: Gove accused of using national security council to promote 'neocon' ideas

I think Hitchens wants Ronald Reagan to lead the Tories, though.

 

[J Ed]

I think Hitchens wants Ronald Reagan to lead the Tories, though.

I'm not so sure, Peter Hitchens seems to associate economic neoliberalism with the social liberalism which he despises. You can recognise a lot of disdain for the consequences of neoliberalism that you just don't see from right-wing commentators.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/07/the-slow-sad-death-of-detroit.html

Its uneasy peace between business and unions, soothed by generous benefits and pensions, gave its name in 1950 to the so-called Treaty of Detroit, a national pact between capital and labour that lasted 30 years until Ronald Reagan broke it, and which many American workers look back on with nostalgia

 

[DairyQueen]

Peter Hitchens

... on homosexuals...

We show tolerance to 'gays' and get tyranny in return

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1133033/PETER-HITCHENS-We-tolerance-gays-tyranny-return.html#ixzz33iE1stys

.... on drug users...

A terrifying new conventional wisdom is growing up – a belief that drugs such as cannabis, heroin and cocaine should be legalised.
Advocates of this nightmare don’t yet use that word – since international treaties prevent it at the moment. They speak of ‘decriminalisation’ or ‘regulation’.
You might expect this sort of rubbish among the mumbling, frazzled relics of the Sixties.
The ones who insist, between long vacant pauses, while they struggle to remember who and where they are, and look round the room for enemies, that dope never did them any harm.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1231694/The-inconvenient-truths-Mr-Gore-fanatical-friends-DIDNT-tell-climate-change.html#ixzz33iEUvlTG

... on climate change...

The world was warmer than it is now in the early Middle Ages, long before industrial activity increased CO2 output, a fact that the warming fanatics have worked very hard to obscure

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1231694/The-inconvenient-truths-Mr-Gore-fanatical-friends-DIDNT-tell-climate-change.html#ixzz33iElMi00

Of course, Hitchens is an expert on all these matters and more; not least economics and immigration.

The man is a top-class cunt, not sure why anyone would want to listen to him except an ever smaller faction of the Tory party and the particularly loony part of UKIP.

 

[Awesome Wells]

You will never convince him to change or modify his thinking, you can never shown him evidence or facts, you cannot win against him. He is so up his own arse that any conversation is pointless. What's worse is the sneering attitude; he will hold you in contempt when you speak and, having not spoken in the conversion for one second, will interrupt and claim that he never gets the chance to speak.

He is a classic swivel eyed hypocrit.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Peter Hitchens

... on homosexuals...



.... on drug users...



... on climate change...



Of course, Hitchens is an expert on all these matters and more; not least economics and immigration.

The man is a top-class cunt, not sure why anyone would want to listen to him except an ever smaller faction of the Tory party and the particularly loony part of UKIP.

Nobody's suggesting that he's not a cunt - just that he's a bit different from your average frothy mouthed right winger - because he is - and he occasionally comes out with something interesting that it's hard to disagree with, however much you might want to.

 

[treelover]

Report in the Sunday Times todays claims one of the Birmingham schools under fire , spent 50,000 taking (muslim only)kids to Mecca, 800 pounds on tips alone, a teacher called women, "white prostitutes" assemblies excluded anything 'christian' in approach

haven't got a link, but it says the Gov't report tomorrow will be 'explosive'

I wonder what will be UKIP's response ,

note, Times will have an agenda

 

[DairyQueen]

Report in the Sunday Times todays claims one of the Birmingham schools under fire , spent 50,000 taking (muslim only)kids to Mecca, 800 pounds on tips alone, a teacher called women, "white prostitutes" assemblies excluded anything 'christian' in approach

haven't got a link, but it says the Gov't report tomorrow will be 'explosive'

I wonder what will be UKIP's response ,

note, Times will have an agenda

Surely they will wait for the full report before giving soundbites to the press?

 

[treelover]

Perhaps if what is the left of the left such as Left Unity gave a measured response accepting there may be problems then UKIPs attacks would be reduced/weakened

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Perhaps if what is the left of the left such as Left Unity gave a measured response accepting there may be problems then UKIPs attacks would be reduced/weakened

Why? Who listens to Left Unity?

 

[Santino]

Daft middle class feminists are driving the working class to UKIP by policing language.

 

[J Ed]

Daft middle class feminists are driving the working class to UKIP by policing language.

Care to expand?

 

[Santino]

Care to expand?

You'll have to ask Citizen66

 

[butchersapron]

Let me know if you find one, could you? I'm cutting my book-buying expenditure back atm...

Here we go.

 

[Roadkill]

Excellent - cheers butchersapron.

 

[J Ed]

Here's an interesting one.

So following the resignation of Mark 'I can't live on £120,000' Simmonds, right-wing 'libertarian' headbangers at Breitbart are arguing that he is in fact resigning out of fear that he is going to lose his seat to UKIP. Thoughts on this?

 

[brogdale]

Here's an interesting one.

So following the resignation of Mark 'I can't live on £120,000' Simmonds, right-wing 'libertarian' headbangers at Breitbart are arguing that he is in fact resigning out of fear that he is going to lose his seat to UKIP. Thoughts on this?

http://survation.com/ukip-won-in-8-westminster-constituencies-last-thursday/

We’ve analysed the results from the local elections, dissecting the divisions that contain wards that make up Westminster constituencies. We calculate that if last Thursday’s results in these areas were at least as good in a general election (and there are factors at play that make this both more and less likely), UKIP would secure 8 MPs.

UKIP appear to have reached their “tipping point” at their current level of popularity where their vote begins to “cluster” allowing first-past-the-post victories.

The constituencies we record here are below:

Survation Locals Analysis (UKIP Section) Click Through For Full Data: