Manter
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Martin Chulov (guardian) has been told that the Kurds negotiated directly with the Russians, not Damascus.
Turkey, ISIS, Kurds and Syria
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butchersapron
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Maybe in the last week, but they were talking to the regime for some time previous:
Fearing US abandonment, Kurds kept back channels wide open
In one of the first high-level meetings in Russia, a Kurdish delegation flew to Moscow in November 2018, where on the same day a Turkish senior security delegation was present. At the time, Arab newspapers reported that Turkey had proposed a 30-kilometer (19-mile) deep safe zone along the border. Russia argued for a 5- to 9-kilometer (3- to 5-mile) zone, but the Kurdish delegation rejected it.
Days after, the same delegation, headed by a Kurdish militia leader, flew to Damascus, where it reportedly met with the Syrian intelligence chief and other senior security officials in the presence of a high-level Russian delegation. The secret meeting was reported by a veteran Syrian reporter at Ashraq al-Awsat, a Saudi-owned newspaper, who said the Kurdish delegation told Damascus they did not want to repeat the Afrin mistake and were ready to show flexibility.
The meeting resulted in the first cooperation between the Kurdish group and the Syrian government — at least in public. And it signaled the fraying ties with the U.S.
The Kurdish militia invited the Syrian government to send in troops to protect another Kurdish-held area, Manbij, where the U.S. had a presence. The move would have undermined U.S. power and influence in the area, but the Syrians ultimately pulled back, to a Russian base nearby, according to AP journalists who traveled to the area.
Fearing US abandonment, Kurds kept back channels wide open
In one of the first high-level meetings in Russia, a Kurdish delegation flew to Moscow in November 2018, where on the same day a Turkish senior security delegation was present. At the time, Arab newspapers reported that Turkey had proposed a 30-kilometer (19-mile) deep safe zone along the border. Russia argued for a 5- to 9-kilometer (3- to 5-mile) zone, but the Kurdish delegation rejected it.
Days after, the same delegation, headed by a Kurdish militia leader, flew to Damascus, where it reportedly met with the Syrian intelligence chief and other senior security officials in the presence of a high-level Russian delegation. The secret meeting was reported by a veteran Syrian reporter at Ashraq al-Awsat, a Saudi-owned newspaper, who said the Kurdish delegation told Damascus they did not want to repeat the Afrin mistake and were ready to show flexibility.
The meeting resulted in the first cooperation between the Kurdish group and the Syrian government — at least in public. And it signaled the fraying ties with the U.S.
The Kurdish militia invited the Syrian government to send in troops to protect another Kurdish-held area, Manbij, where the U.S. had a presence. The move would have undermined U.S. power and influence in the area, but the Syrians ultimately pulled back, to a Russian base nearby, according to AP journalists who traveled to the area.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i thought it was an accepted universal truth that 'the Kurds' are always talking to everyone, on the basis that todays enemy might be tomorrows ally.
the Russians are the obvious mediator because they don't have skin in the game, but have influence (to some degree or other) over all the other interested parties, as well as their own objectives of being seen to be a useful friend to have.
what was that Trump campaign message? Make Russia Great Again....
the Russians are the obvious mediator because they don't have skin in the game, but have influence (to some degree or other) over all the other interested parties, as well as their own objectives of being seen to be a useful friend to have.
what was that Trump campaign message? Make Russia Great Again....
Jeremiah18.17
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So, Trump/Pence and Erdogan strike another seemingly ridiculous pose. An attempt to blame forthcoming massive civilian casualties on the SDF/YPG if they do not retreat, or alternatively a ploy to allow time for the SAA/regime forces to take control of the border area. Erdogan does not care if his enemies are repressed and slaughtered by his Army, the Syrian regime or his pet expendable jihadists, so long as they are repressed and slaughtered.
Turkey to suspend Syria offensive, US says
Turkey to suspend Syria offensive, US says
teqniq
DisMembered
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Eh, it's the Kurds that fucked it?
Reality of war? 
spring-peeper
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According to reports, Syria, and published yesterday by several outlets saying it's a local boy burnt by white phosphorus fired by Turkey or Turkish led forces. However, who fired the weapon is secondary to a child being very badly injured with life changing injuries.
Boy screams after he is scorched by white phosphorus in Turkish assault – WebsFavourites.Com
I have been unable to find any previous use of the photo at this time so there's a reasonable chance it's genuine.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
What a weird contribution to the thread.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And from someone who threw doubt on previous regime chemical attacks. I think, again, don, you should do your background reading before posting.
Given my first concern is for civilians, not really.
Politicians are, in general, a bunch of cunts that don't give a fuck about people, someone has to show the real cost of war. It's only a pity the politicians aren't at the front fighting their own battles instead of hiding where nobody can get to them.
I did that because there was no evidence to show who it was, or even that it was a real attack, but there was evidence to suggest it was a fake set up by the US or people they were arming. You might note I didn't blame anyone for this one either, just mentioned who was being blamed.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No there wasn't you prick. Which is why you shouldn't be posting on this thread.
However, reports from all sides are saying civilians are being killed, only the blame shift. The only important point until the thing is over and war crimes trial start, is civilians are getting killed - but some are way too interested in the politics to care. Pity that seems to extend to this forum, or at least a couple of people here.
Frankly, if I was arguing politics with no interest in the price kids are paying for it, I'd be fucking ashamed of myself.
Frankly, if I was arguing politics with no interest in the price kids are paying for it, I'd be fucking ashamed of myself.
Here we go, following me to yet another thread for a quick troll.
If I recall, the Douuma chemical attack, if it ever happened, was attributed to Assad, but by the same people that told us all about Iraq's WMD, witness statements were all from people fighting Assad, and lots of people disputed it ever happened with a lot of sound evidence to show their point. They also noted lots of evidence to show the rebels and ISIS had, and used, chemical weapons. The US told us these were the ones Iraq managed to get to Syria before the weapons inspectors found them.
Assad is a big enough bastard and there's plenty of clear, undisputed evidence for that, without believing dodgy stories from the "Iraq has WMD" people.
Now please fuck off and stalk someone else.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ignorant false bullshit and exactly why you shouldn't be on this thread. Every single fact shown to be nonsense. As anyone who cares so much about the kids as to actually, you know, keep up with events in Syria over the last 8 years would know. Stalking you? I have 128 posts on this thread and have been posting on it for 4 and half years. You have 9 over 4 days - each one mad or obvious shit that doesn't add to the thread or helps make it worse. Please, you go. You have nothing to offer. Go do that background research on the pkk or the wider conflict. This is serious enough stuff to actually take seriously.
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teqniq
DisMembered
What ill-informed shite is this? Before you go making more of a complete fool of yourself I suggest you read some of the research done by Bellingcat on this subjuct or have you already been reading stuff from the likes of Max Bleumenthal? If so it may be too late.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
You utter twat.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's too late for that
the damage has already been done
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Isn’t white phosphorus use against civilians banned under International law? Does any country actually pay any attention to these laws in war? Rhetorical questions.
Israel uses it, or at least has in the past, however, that wasn't illegal because the US didn't say it was. As the Turks or allies are being blamed this time, it is.
Be be clear, up to time of posting the picture, there was no evidence who or what caused the burns except witness statements from biased parties.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Well it produces ‘smoke’ so that makes it legit apparently. I mean they could just use a smoke munition which doesn’t stick to people and horrifically burn them. But what the hell.
ETA: The US used it in the siege of Fallujah with this excuse.
The research is incomplete and every party involved has a reason to say what they say. There is video evidence from the white helmets, a western funded group, showing what they say are bombs. One bellingcat VIDEO shows a gas cylinder on a bed, the hole in the roof seeming to suggest the object entered at an angle of 45 degrees or so from the vertical meaning it came in with horizontal speed, but the bed is undamaged and the wall at the head of the bed untouched (Unless someone changed the laws of physics when it landed, the video is a set up - That or it's a hell of a good mattress. Another video on the same site show a cylinder that made a fucking great big hole in the floor when it hit.
Then we see NCB suits, but the guy with the mobile hasn't got gloves on. Oops. Now, what does chlorine gas do to skin? If it isn't good news, why does the guy in the gas mask next to the bed have his skin open to the air?
Moving on to the recovery video with the truck, one guy removes his hood and gas mask, then wipes his face with the gloved hand he was just using to assist with the removal of a chemical weapon. No way he would do that unless he knew there was nothing to worry about.
Nice dramatic music though so I suppose a few minor little inconsistencies are to be forgiven.
Of course, I'll be told I'm some sort of bastard for actually thinking about the evidence rather than simply accepting it as true because it's fashionable and political activists want me to act like a sheep.
I now await some bellend to accuse me of support for that utter cunt Assad because I refuse to blindly accept what looks a lot like bullshit.
Gaw damn, I'm right
What Happened in Douma? Searching for Facts in the Fog of Syria’s Propaganda War
3 big take aways
What Happened in Douma? Searching for Facts in the Fog of Syria’s Propaganda War
3 big take aways
- Look at evidence closely and apply lots of critical thinking before accepting it as true
- The journalists hi-tech methods show some photos of the 'attack', including the bedroom, were faked (I was right)
- I will now feel very smug and call those who suggested I'm an utter twat, utter twats.
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