butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Jesus Christ. Utterly out of your depth. I suggest just ignoring this insulting and dangerous nonsense.
Turkey, ISIS, Kurds and Syria
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Bellingcat is insulting and dangerous nonsense?
I thought they were put up as authoritative on the subject but you'll notice their people were part of the last video I linked to, and I used videos published on their site as a base for my now proven points.
Perhaps you should follow the bellingcat link I gave, look at the videos I mention, then go to the link with bellingcat people and others showing how they worked out some of the videos they used on their site were faked.
As I said, and you failed to answer, why would rebel forces need to fake anything if the attacks were real?
That in no way suggests support for Assad or any of his bunch, the lot are clearly a set of bastards with a bigger bastard at their head, but it does say I don't trust the same people that told us of Iraq's WMDs to tell me about Syria using chemical weapons. That doesn't mean they haven't, just that I won't trust known liars to tell me about it.
Of course, if you're right and I'm wrong, I want to find out where that amazing bomb proof bed came from so I can order one. It probably won't be cheap but it'll last for ever.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Shut up
What Happened in Douma? Searching for Facts in the Fog of Syria’s Propaganda War
Try going to 1.26 where Bellingcat take part in a video that debunks claims on their own site, then you might want to reconsider the evidence they put forward as true.
I don't expect you will because you want it to be true, even if it isn't but, sadly, that sort of idiocy allows Russia and Syria to score points when these dodgy stories are exposed as bullshit, thus assisting their somewhat nasty cause in at least a small way.
rekil
to menny cranks
A link to the OPCW report from March 2019 was posted on here already I dunno how many times.
OPCW Issues Fact-Finding Mission Report on Chemical Weapons Use Allegation in Douma, Syria, in 2018
No thanks, I'll carry on spamming threads with regime talking points via conspiraloons, holocaust deniers and australian astrologers.
OPCW Issues Fact-Finding Mission Report on Chemical Weapons Use Allegation in Douma, Syria, in 2018
No thanks, I'll carry on spamming threads with regime talking points via conspiraloons, holocaust deniers and australian astrologers.
teqniq
DisMembered
My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately the deluded idiot thinks otherwise.
Perhaps you can explain why evidence was manufactured, as explained by a group that includes journalists and Bellingcat.
Only 'possible' and we saw the cylinders being tampered with by the white helmets, people claiming to know they were full of toxic chemicals but didn't bother with proper use of safety equipment.
We know from report at least one of the cylinders, the one in the bedroom was faked, but they don't mention this and reports of the deaths being put down to chemical exposure was done without examining the bodies. That assumes the 'bodies' ever existed because, apart from videos we know from the linked report might be fake, no one has seen them.
All witness statements came from unreliable sources and we know from the report linked above the inspectors found the sites had been tampered with. That's also in the report.
Maybe, possibly, perhaps, but nothing absolute.
Posting this as proof is limited at best and, given the report can't say the cylinders were the source, and can't be sure what killed the people whose bodies they never saw, it's not very convincing.
Later in the report there is mention of photos/videos with no metadata and others with the wrong date. That suggests fake material being put out.
I'll read the whole thing later but it looks poor at best, and there's little actual evidence in there that points to anything.
Of course, if I missed something in the report that shows solid proof, let me know the paragraph and I'll read that first.
Of course, but can you quote the bit of the report that shows I'm wrong?
They can't even even sure there was any gas at all
There were 6 swimming pools in the area, all storing chlorine, and a lot of bombing that could well have spread chemicals, or the stocks could have been deliberately released by rebels in an attempt to attract international help for there cause. As there is no conclusive evidence in the report, who knows?
However, I wouldn't put it past Assad to do it, just there's no proof.
However, I wouldn't put it past Assad to do it, just there's no proof.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Did you mean "They can't even be sure there was any gas at all"?
And if you did, you know that's been said before by other cunts about something else and they bang on about swimming pools and such. Fuck it. Yes best ignore.
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Geri
wasn't born to follow
You are ruining this thread. Just fuck the fuck off, and when you get there, fuck off some more.
So 'fuck off' is the best you can manage, even though there is absolutely no evidence at all, not even bodies than can be identified as victims, and you totally ignore the findings of the report that was put up as evidence of guilt.
The Syrian government might well have used chemical weapons (I have no problem believing they would) but there's shit all proof so, in my opinion, Assad should be attacked for what we know he's done (plenty), not for what we want to think he's done.
The problem comes because the Assad lot can point to this sort of thing and cry, "Bullshit", then use the forwarding of dodgy or impossible to prove accusations to cloud or discredit crimes we can prove he's committed.
It's a form of finkelthink, and it works.
The report says it. I believe I quoted the passage.
As for using a typo as evidence I'm wrong, is that the best you can manage?
I neither beleive or disbeleive it, just there's no evidence to prove it.
My contention would be, all I see is 'fuck off', but absolutely nothing to show these attacks happened as claimed.
If you had evidence, you'd forward it, but you do not.
The only attempt was a link to a report that shows a grand total of nothing and even confirms some of my assertions at least some photos and videos were faked, as was also stated in the video Bellingcat took part in. I find it a little odd they would leave debunked evidence on their site, more so when they were part of the group that debunked it, but that's up to them.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Look everybody is telling you to shut up and fuck off so why not just do it, you can sit there in your own home telling yourself you are right and everybody else is a sheeple or whatever if it makes you feel good but just shut the fuck up. Stop posting. Go away
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Because he's a credulous arse
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
No you didn't quote the passage. "They can't even be sure there was any gas at all." That's not in the passage and typos aside you're worse than wrong if you think that was my point.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
On a previous thread, you said you were gonna open a new thread to put all your questions.
Please do so.
Oh, yes - put it "general" so more people will play with you.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Off you pop then 
I look forward to the new thread.
Just stop posting your theories on here.
I look forward to the new thread.
Just stop posting your theories on here.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
^^^^^
The previous two posts are how we say, "Fuck off" in Canadian.
The previous two posts are how we say, "Fuck off" in Canadian.
I copied and pasted so it's verbatim.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Christ on a bike. Typo or copy and paste the quote 'verbatim'. Quote the passage that contains the words "They can't even be sure there was any gas at all."
Not sure what gas it was
Not sure who had the gas
Not sure the containers had ever had gas in them
Absolutely no independent evidence anyone was killed, and no examination of the claimed bodies so no idea what actually killed them, if they are dead at all.
We are sure there was faked evidence, as noted in the report
Basically, it's a non-story.
What is a story is the background in the films. The city is smashed to rubble, and that crime was indisputably committed by Assad and the Russians, along with however many civilian deaths that went with the destruction.
Concentrating on "Maybe" and "perhaps" but with no ability to produce evidence that would stand up in court is silly, especially when there's so much we can be absolutely, 100% sure he did.
All it does is give the bastard a let out argument.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
It is because nobody has proof. Assad might well have ordered it, but it can't be proved as the report clearly shows.
There is a lot that we know he did and there is zero dispute so the gas thing is a nothing as far as 'stand up in court' evidence goes.
Why give the sod ammunition he can use to discredit anything else he fancies?
Clouds of war, and propagandists know it.
There is a lot that we know he did and there is zero dispute so the gas thing is a nothing as far as 'stand up in court' evidence goes.
Why give the sod ammunition he can use to discredit anything else he fancies?
Clouds of war, and propagandists know it.
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