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Starry Wisdom
grounds for appeal for the 20 convicted, i'd have thought.
Tout exposed Mark 'Stone/Kennedy' exposed as undercover police officer
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grounds for appeal for the 20 convicted, i'd have thought.
You mean when he stops the weed he'll discover he's the Messiah, also?
The official secrets act applies when you temp at the post office - I can see no reason why it wouldnt apply here.
Fascinating story. Really must sting for those that had been close to him. A couple of lessons to be learned (primarily, if someone has loads of cash they are willing to put toward the "cause", this could be an indicator of undercover...). Interesting to see him so confused now. He must have genuinely liked the people he was spying on.
they were charged with a different offence. E2A, actually, I think i'm wrong there. ignore.
This guy must be totally frazzled, he's betrayed everyone (friends, girlfriends, his wife and kids) and now seemingly he's betraying his employer and whatever oaths coppers have to take.
Obviously I've got no sympathy but he must feel completly fucked, where does he go from here?
Obviously I've got no sympathy but he must feel completly fucked, where does he go from here?
Idaho
blah blah blah
The Official Secrets Act applies whoever you are and whatever you are doing in the UK. The act of signing it is merely a reminder.
Garek
Living n ADDled chaos
The bottle and Beachy Head?
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Seems likely.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Allegedly, he is out of the country. I wonder if he has been given a new identity to protect/hide him and, if so, whether that will now be revealed since he has, seemingly, turned against his employers.
it's shocking... I still can't believe this story. how did the people who decided this would be an okay idea ever reach the decision that this was an okay idea. it's insane
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
i just read about this, fascinating stuff. bloke must be proper mixed up.
always assume there's a copper present. we know from experience and hindsight that they are everywhere on the activism scene.
always assume there's a copper present. we know from experience and hindsight that they are everywhere on the activism scene.
That's what I thought when I first heard about it... but:
The judge clearly thought that defence had more more weight than the jury gave it:
judge Jonathan Teare said:
TopCat
Putin fanboy
What is shocking is that people assume this is an isolated case. The state have loads of police infiltrating groups up and down the country.
editor
hiraethified
Big piece in the Guardian today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/10/mark-kennedy-undercover-cop-activist
elbows
Well-Known Member
There was a documentary some years back that included stuff about the special branch infiltrating in order to 'prevent subversion' featuring a couple of interviews with fairly extreme cops who did not try to hide their contempt for the lefties they were spying on. The documentary was trying to suggest that the police etc had closed down their anti-subversion units in more recent times as it wasnt needed anymore, this stuff was al in the past, but such conclusions lacked credibility in my eyes. Its possible they rebranded and dont use the term subversion as much these days, but its pretty obvious that the state is still going to take an interest in these things.
What is the National Public Order Intelligence Unit? Telegraph - cuttings job but interesting they feel the need to keep the story going...
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Yep - especially anything to do with direct action; the important thing is to be reasonably cool about it imo, wandering around constantly paranoid about all your friends or colleagues is worse than being naive and assuming everything's ok. Anyone involved in DA should assume that they will be busted anyway at some point and should assume that much of what they are up to will be monitored.
If I was involved in this kind of surveillance (ie that which crosses the line to agent provocateur status) I would think the biggest and easiest win would be to spread distrust and discord within groups.
shaman75
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I think it's worth reiterating that it would be easy to check someone's background if in doubt.
e.g. a visit to their home town to meet their old school mates and family would be in order.
e.g. a visit to their home town to meet their old school mates and family would be in order.
this case seemed verging on pointless though, in terms of the use of having him as a tout for so long. 250k for such a case seems a little ott to me.
Er... 12 August 2003 (EF! Yorkshire) to, say, August 2010 = 7 years; at his quoted price = £1,750,000
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Not a popular viewpoint, but i have a degree of sympathy for him. His reaction to what happened showed imo that he'd rather have not been in the police in the first place. A far more hardnosed agent would have just fucked off and not even bothered about the consequences. I hope those who were betrayed by him can find space for forgiveness.
The Black Hand
Unclean
The police will neither confirm nor deny that this is the case, all we have is his word for it (that is not enough).
The Black Hand
Unclean
Maybe, certainly worth pursuing.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
That's a warm view.
Sadly, I think it's more of a case that he's shiteing himself at the repercussions from certain quarters.
Yossarian
⏭️
It's all he deserves, and would send a helpful message to others.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Indeed.
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