ElizabethofYork
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That's exactly what is happening. She features in several of "Tommy" and his chums' blogs and webpages.
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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That's exactly what is happening. She features in several of "Tommy" and his chums' blogs and webpages.
MightyTibberton
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and yet when another muslim was set to speak at the 'day of freedom' he got bullied off. He was even invited.
MightyTibberton
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Actual anti-ISIS activist:
Briton killed fighting with Kurdish unit
Ooh, from "the left" as well.
What has Yaxley Lennon ever actually done about terrorism or radicalisation? Has he ever even so much as tweeted out a terrorism hotline number or how to share information with the police or a way of raising concerns about someone being radicalised?
The whole thing is a con. A lovely profitable con with very sinister effects.
Briton killed fighting with Kurdish unit
Ooh, from "the left" as well.
What has Yaxley Lennon ever actually done about terrorism or radicalisation? Has he ever even so much as tweeted out a terrorism hotline number or how to share information with the police or a way of raising concerns about someone being radicalised?
The whole thing is a con. A lovely profitable con with very sinister effects.
It was Count Dankula (now of UKIP) who started the petition but I'm sure you can find Robinson arguing for all sorts of crackdowns on free speech easily enough. Not least, of course, the free speech of Muslims. Even "Muslim hate preachers" should be allowed a platform if these "free speech absolutists" are what they say they are (which they aren't). They would defeat such speech in the Free Market Place of Ideas. If you're a student you should Invite ISIS to your university.
You cannot invite ISIS to speak at a university in the same way you cannot invite national action to a university. The reason is membership of those groups is illegal as is promoting them. These groups are not illegal because of their members mere “opinions” but because they intended to commit and encouraged others to commit violent criminal acts. Threatening to commit criminal acts or trying to get others to commit criminal acts is not free speech in exactly the same way as conspiring to commit a crime is illegal in and of itself and the police don’t need to wait until you actually do it before taking action if they can prove you intend to do it. This would still be the case in the USA with their first amendment which is what these free speech advocates want. So no it’s not legitimate to let ISIS speak at a university and both ISIS and national action were rightly banned. It would however be legitimate to let the BNP speak at a university, repugnant as they are. And if the BNP were to speak at a university you wouldn’t need a left wing censorship mob to “shut it down”, the students at the speech would see their ideas for the horrible intellectual dog shit they are.
MightyTibberton
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I was being facetious there to a point.*
But not entirely. I've seen plenty of of Free Speech Absolutists who are exactly that. As long as its not some "fire in a crowded theatre" thing or a direct and provable incitement to immediate violence that they're OK with it. Robinson failed to allow a Muslim to speak at his free speech rally.
No platforming is a big and complex debate, and I'm not 100% sure where I stand on it. . .
*As I should have made clearer.
(EDITED to add a missed word and explain my facetiousness more clearly.)
Was it actually him? I had a notion it was, but i couldn't be sure so i retracted it.It was Count Dankula (now of UKIP) who started the petition but I'm sure you can find Robinson arguing for all sorts of crackdowns on free speech easily enough. Not least, of course, the free speech of Muslims. Even "Muslim hate preachers" should be allowed a platform if these "free speech absolutists" are what they say they are (which they aren't). They would defeat such speech in the Free Market Place of Ideas. If you're a student you should Invite ISIS to your university.
MightyTibberton
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Oh bugger - I'm not being very forensic today!
I've seen it ascribed to him and had accepted that, but now that I search (quickly) I can't find an actual link. He has certainly promoted and responded to a petition to have AntiFa treated as a terrorist organisation. I'll have more of a dig - Mike Stuchbery on Twitter did a lot of Dankula talk, he might be worth a look if you're time rich!
I've seen it ascribed to him and had accepted that, but now that I search (quickly) I can't find an actual link. He has certainly promoted and responded to a petition to have AntiFa treated as a terrorist organisation. I'll have more of a dig - Mike Stuchbery on Twitter did a lot of Dankula talk, he might be worth a look if you're time rich!
Well he was listening to her genuine concerns and giving her a platform to air those concerns as opposed to accusing her of hate speech for even daring to mention FGM and trying to have her silenced. Don’t get me wrong, it would be far better if Sadiq Khan were listen to her instead of tommy because Sadiq is actually in a position to do something about it. But until the establishment are going to listen I’d say the likes of Tommy are pretty much all she’s got.
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
so beyond "listening" and "airing" what good is tommeh going to do? how is he going to change anything?
he only cares about himself, his ego and bank balance and will use anyone including victims of grooming and rape and the woman to furhter his self interest
The woman is able to voice her "genuine concerns" aren't they? who is accusing them of hate speech and having her silenced?
MightyTibberton
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She's also a corespondent for ALTNEWSMEDIA. A site my browser won't let me look at because it says its "insecure" (Firefox), though I can see from Google snippets that it seems to be connected to David Vance, social media charmer.
Had you not even read it?
You know the fact that you even have to ask to please NOT be shouted down should tell you a lot...
As for Corbyn, not sure about him personally but I’m pretty the Labour Party demoted and silenced Sarah Champion (by all accounts a good decent MP who genuinely wanted to help vulnerable and abused children) for daring to speak about it to the press, what did Corbyn have to say about that? While an MP who re-tweeted an Owen Jones parody account saying the victims of child grooming should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity was quickly forgiven then promoted. To be fair Naz Shah deleted the re-tweet and said it was a mistake for which she was sorry, but had a centre right MP re-tweeted something that was racist by accident I doubt there would be so much forgiveness followed by a promotion.
The shouting down comment was just because I’m not as knowledgeable about this stuff, i should of phrased it as ‘correct me if I’m wrong’ really.
But I think it is telling that Corbyn has said nothing about it, or May, or Vince Cable. Easier to ignore it than look at the politics that underlie it I think?
But I think it is telling that Corbyn has said nothing about it, or May, or Vince Cable. Easier to ignore it than look at the politics that underlie it I think?
MightyTibberton
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In August 2017, on BBC Radio 4's Today programme she asserted that "more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".[29] Her statements were followed by an opinion piece for The Sun titled "British Pakistani men ARE raping and exploiting white girls ... and it’s time we faced up to it".[30][31] The article went on to suggest that "Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".[32] Fellow Labour MP Naz Shah criticised Champion's statements, describing the headline as incendiary and irresponsible, and arguing that 90% of child sexual abusers were white men.[33]
A few days later, Champion distanced herself from The Sun article, which she said should "not have gone out in my name", asserting that beginning of the article had been altered by the newspaper's staff resulting in the piece being "stripped of nuance". The newspaper said the article's final form had been approved by her team,[34] and later produced an email from one of her aides confirming she was actually "thrilled" by the article.[35] Champion resigned from her post on 16 August 2017.[32]
A few days later, Champion distanced herself from The Sun article, which she said should "not have gone out in my name", asserting that beginning of the article had been altered by the newspaper's staff resulting in the piece being "stripped of nuance". The newspaper said the article's final form had been approved by her team,[34] and later produced an email from one of her aides confirming she was actually "thrilled" by the article.[35] Champion resigned from her post on 16 August 2017.[32]
This video?
MightyTibberton
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He's reading out nasty tweets - it's an established sub-genre of viral video, sadly!
I believe that is the video referenced in that blog post, yes.
I believe that is the video referenced in that blog post, yes.
MightyTibberton
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Actually I think it was this:
He reads out the handles but of course that doesn't directly identify the person behind them. So i've no idea whether any of those tweets he reads out are from her. But then if you're posting this shit, you're already doing it publicly and can't complain.
He reads out the handles but of course that doesn't directly identify the person behind them. So i've no idea whether any of those tweets he reads out are from her. But then if you're posting this shit, you're already doing it publicly and can't complain.
A lot of truth in that. Privileged champagne socialists like the Labour Party have contempt for the working class and see them as a voter block they can take for granted, they have contempt for the working class and hate the super rich. The Tories and the Lib Dem’s have no time for the working class either, they see them as people they need to “educate” to have the correct “acceptable” opinions, not people whose opinions they need to listen to and represent and consider. The field is wide open for UKIP...
