Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
TV. The interview SH gave to ITV
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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TV. The interview SH gave to ITV
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A virulent disease of the lungs
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Whats that supposed to mean?
In this context, please.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Haven't watched that, but I imagine you mean he claims there were casualties on both side etc. The only pictures are of SH himself having got a bloody nose.
The thing is that he was one of the speakers on the Stand Up to Racism float (I didn't realise this at the time, but have since pieced it together), and so is/was presumably approved by/working with them.
It was SUTR who 'announced' that things were over and that everyone should go home, marching together to St James Park station 'for everyone's safety', but SH ended up in a pub on the way and got attacked.
And Hope Not Hate appear to have been first to tweet about this, and it was then picked up by other media, with the result that the 'story' is now 'TU leader and anti-fascist gets beaten up'.
That, more than anything, will encourage TR supporters and other fash.
I've read things on here about how SUTR's influence has undermined anti-fascist activity; yesterday was the first time I saw it for myself. It's a shame that the efforts of so many have been undermined by so-called leaders...
If you live in a grass house, don't get stoned.
Kind of. He's caught between two stools a bit.
teqniq
DisMembered
Why indeed? But there seems to be a bit of a pattern going on here. Farage regularly on the BBC, Sebastian Gorka was on channel 4 in relation to Trump's visit. Why indeed give these arseholes any airtime at all?
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
It's not just like they go away if you don't. Even worse they'll claim victimhood. Better to get them out in the open and debate them.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
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Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
or call them cunts
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
teqniq
DisMembered
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Looks hilarious. I'll be watching.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I've heard from some antifa types that they went into the same pub which fash later attacked but spotted Hedley and decided to drink elsewhere instead.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You really need to back that up beyond " i heard". "Some antfia types"? There is some irony in Hedly - a noted UK assad supporter - being battered by assad supporters. But anti-semitism?
Apart from the stuff posted above since last night there's a few obv things - 1) attacking RMT in london. 2) Someone with Hedley's connections with AFA. Things will heat up now in london. Far beyond what was going on before.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Known misogynist and anti-semite? You're over-egging your pudding a bit
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
And spotted Hedley who is working class anti fascist , rather than some Antifa type , and also deputy leader of the most militant trade union in the country actually defending and achieving pay and conditions for a diverse working class membership . Just to jog your memory wasn't anti fascism supposed to be about defending the working class ? Anyway just as well the Antifa types went to find a safe space rather than shit themselves when it kicked off.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
He is a pudding .
I didn't see Hedley get nicked but we fucked off when the old bill finally turned up on mass, they did definitely nab two of the attackers, onee was quite bloodied, there's a photo going round but I can't seem to find it. There were bloodied faces on both sides, not sure you could really say one side came off better.
Anyway we left and went back to the march only to find it had left already and was heading to the tube station apparantly led away by Stand Up To Racism.
Incidentally the truck SUTR were using had pulled up in Soho the after the Trump demo and played music for a couple of hours - mostly gay club anthems with lots of lycra'd bodies gyrating about and stuff. It was a good laugh, about 500 people dancing and they said something about holding a party in parliament square althugh I didn't hear it properly. So I was quite excited when the truck pulled up at the end of Whitehall, people were flagging and it looked like a stalemate at that point and a bit of music might have got spirits back up and stopped people from sloping off. But instead we got David fucking Lammy and other assorted trots making the usual boring speeches, so I wonder if SUTR put the dampeners on that as well.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
On Free Tommy marches in the past the cops mainly acted to keep them and counter demos away from each other. The previous one was testing the limits a bit - can we get away with aggro against the police? - and the answer was yes, there were no real consequences. It also IMO served to narrow the numbers down a bit to those who didn't have a problem with that.
Yesterday was testing the limits a bit more in that (a) they blatantly went against the cops' instructions re: forming up, and nothing happened, and (b) they were able to have random brawls with people outside of the main demo and there was no organised police action to prevent them. I don't see this changing. So yes it has now escalated, because the proportion of proper fash going on these marches has increased dramatically and they're now aware that they can basically do what they want in terms of police response - the only counter will be antifascists and they actively want to have a fight with them. I think the next one will be messier than this.
Yesterday was testing the limits a bit more in that (a) they blatantly went against the cops' instructions re: forming up, and nothing happened, and (b) they were able to have random brawls with people outside of the main demo and there was no organised police action to prevent them. I don't see this changing. So yes it has now escalated, because the proportion of proper fash going on these marches has increased dramatically and they're now aware that they can basically do what they want in terms of police response - the only counter will be antifascists and they actively want to have a fight with them. I think the next one will be messier than this.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
And therefore above reproach?
Antifascism is something you do, not something you are. You can't just say 'he's one of ours so he's fine'. A lot of people get away with a lot of shit thanks to that mindset.
Haven't we done Hedley to death on here. It wasn't just him that got attacked, there was at least one young woman with blood pouring from her ear, it was an indiscriminate fascist attack on left wing activists/organisers. They may have known the RMT were in there but it could just have been that it was a pub full of lefties.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm not trying to let the fash off the hook here. Obviously an attack like this is bad news for everyone. Just providing a possible explanation why the entire antifascist crowd wasn't guarding that particular pub at that moment in time.
FWIW the person I mentioned earlier who left the pub before the attack returned with others as soon as they heard about it. By the time they got there the police were mopping up. London's a big place, and a confusing one when there are protests and counter-protests all over the place. With the best will in the world, antifascists can't be everywhere at once.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
And so it came to pass...
TopCat
Putin fanboy
This is lame...
