Obviously that is more important, but I stated this because it tells us something about the attitude of these people. They have come to believe antifa are the 'real' tyrants, the enemies of free speech, that they are the real thugs. It's become poisonously inverted.
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Good job really ain't it, given that our lot dispersed meaning the only people left preventing an additional attack were old bill. Perhaps you didn't see the jublilence on the Square after both anti-fascists and police both largely left them to it. If fascists atacking drinkers in pubs, then being left unopposed to cheer about it in the heart of london whilst waving banners calling refugees rapists, despite an impressively large intial anti-fascist presence, isnt a fucking embarrassment then what is?
What's your remedy and what are you going to do about it?
Not go home just because some trot dickhead on a stage tells me its all over.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh that's really important, I'm glad you brought that up
An attempt by either side to get into the others designated area in numbers would have been met with mass arrest . So they came south in a small group and despite managing to hit Steve Hedley came off worse. The result would have been similar if small groups of anti fascists had gone north.
As opposed to African or Amerindian?
And yet they were the ones holding the streets, and our fucking pub, and having a big party at the end of it.
Is it your pub? A profitable afternoon then.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The Chandos isn't a left pub, it's a pub where socialists and anarchists like to drink after a demo. The dolphin by red lion sq, every October loads of anarchists liked to drink there the day of the book fair. But it wasn't an anarchist pub, it's a cop pub. See things for what they are not what you want them to be.
Some of ours were in the Red Lion, thanks to the MET police on our side of the No Mans Land. That's definitely one of their pubs.
Fair enough, I don't really care about the pub except it was a shock to see both the square and the Chandos pretty much taken over. I care more aboout the fact that they seem to have the initiative and the stamina to mount attacks, resist the old bill, take space and hold it unopposed, without any trace of opposition after about teatime. If this is something anti-fascists think they can call a victory then fuck help us if this movement takes off in the way it has the potential to.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh and with the prices there let them have it say i
Then the answer is to get involved and get organising, either in or out of an existing organisation.
Maybe anti fascists could have been bolder today. Last time though it's estimated that there were 10,000 fash. Running headlong into a situation where you're outnumbered in an open space isn't going to win any prizes.
Good to see that some perhaps more traditional leftists are realising the threat this movement represents. This movement was born with the EDL, which many on here dismissed as an irrelevance.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
PilchardUnlike the EDL though this isn't just the usual suspects plus a bunch of up for it casuals, although that's what the more vocal crowd around Nelson's Column looked like. But around the square and in the pub there were lots of older eccentric ukip types, young smartly dressed generation identity types and 4chan type geeks. The constituency seems to have broadened considerably, which might not do them much good in the long run, it remains to be seen, but they looked very different to the traditional far right crowd.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
As far as I understand it, though, there were actually two different demonstrations going on. The post-EDL lot basically latched onto a separate pro-Trump demo. I would guess the kippers, 4-channers etc were part of that.
The EDL wasn't "The usual suspects" . Some neo Nazi types may have joined in later but it sprang into being very quickly without their involvement .
The point being that some warned of the dangers of an ultra nationalist street movement being able to flourish without serious opposition while others who perhaps should have known better dismissed the endeavour as "Flag chasing".
Ah, the middle classes. Who would have thought it? "They really should know better".
crossthebreeze
Well-Known Member
Facebook is telling me that police response was to nick Steve Hedley and a woman being treated in hospital for broken ribs after being hit by a chair by the fash.
That would explain the "victim" narrative being pushed.
Lol i saw one person with a placard outside Leeds crown court earlier this week. Pretty shit show.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Bit of a thug himself, lest we forget
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yup this is the emerging audience a curious blend of alt right proTrump libertarian types being courted by Gen Id and UKIP suits and a more w/class TR brigade with some hard core fash.I'm not sure the latter can turn the former into a violent street movement tbh.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I've seen a few tweets from supposed supporters of his expartner pretty much applauding the fash for beating him up on the supposed grounds of what comes around comes around. Disgusting and unforgivable sectarianism .Funnily enough Pie and Mash tweeted exactly the same thing.
Not that you'd want anything to do with that.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
By who? SH interview on TV makes clear that their were ‘casualties on both sides’ and if anything it seem like the fash came second.
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