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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

I don't care about slogans but if there are people targeting w/c organisers that is cause for grave concern.
Obviously that is more important, but I stated this because it tells us something about the attitude of these people. They have come to believe antifa are the 'real' tyrants, the enemies of free speech, that they are the real thugs. It's become poisonously inverted.
 
The fight at the pub was over before anyone moved off. Swamped by cops.

Good job really ain't it, given that our lot dispersed meaning the only people left preventing an additional attack were old bill. Perhaps you didn't see the jublilence on the Square after both anti-fascists and police both largely left them to it. If fascists atacking drinkers in pubs, then being left unopposed to cheer about it in the heart of london whilst waving banners calling refugees rapists, despite an impressively large intial anti-fascist presence, isnt a fucking embarrassment then what is?
 
Good job really ain't it, given that our lot dispersed meaning the only people left preventing an additional attack were old bill. Perhaps you didn't see the jublilence on the Square after both anti-fascists and police both largely left them to it. If fascists atacking drinkers in pubs, then being left unopposed to cheer about it in the heart of london whilst waving banners calling refugees rapists, despite an impressively large intial anti-fascist presence, isnt a fucking embarrassment then what is?

What's your remedy and what are you going to do about it?
 
Not go home just because some trot dickhead on a stage tells me its all over.

An attempt by either side to get into the others designated area in numbers would have been met with mass arrest . So they came south in a small group and despite managing to hit Steve Hedley came off worse. The result would have been similar if small groups of anti fascists had gone north.
 
An attempt by either side to get into the others designated area in numbers would have been met with mass arrest . So they came south in a small group and despite managing to hit Steve Hedley came off worse. The result would have been similar if small groups of anti fascists had gone north.

And yet they were the ones holding the streets, and our fucking pub, and having a big party at the end of it.
 
The Chandos isn't a left pub, it's a pub where socialists and anarchists like to drink after a demo. The dolphin by red lion sq, every October loads of anarchists liked to drink there the day of the book fair. But it wasn't an anarchist pub, it's a cop pub. See things for what they are not what you want them to be.
 
The Chandos isn't a left pub, it's a pub where socialists and anarchists like to drink after a demo. The dolphin by red lion sq, every October loads of anarchists liked to drink there the day of the book fair. But it wasn't an anarchist pub, it's a cop pub. See things for what they are not what you want them to be.

Some of ours were in the Red Lion, thanks to the MET police on our side of the No Mans Land. That's definitely one of their pubs.
 
The Chandos isn't a left pub, it's a pub where socialists and anarchists like to drink after a demo. The dolphin by red lion sq, every October loads of anarchists liked to drink there the day of the book fair. But it wasn't an anarchist pub, it's a cop pub. See things for what they are not what you want them to be.

Fair enough, I don't really care about the pub except it was a shock to see both the square and the Chandos pretty much taken over. I care more aboout the fact that they seem to have the initiative and the stamina to mount attacks, resist the old bill, take space and hold it unopposed, without any trace of opposition after about teatime. If this is something anti-fascists think they can call a victory then fuck help us if this movement takes off in the way it has the potential to.
 
Fair enough, I don't really care about the pub except it was a shock to see both the square and the Chandos pretty much taken over. I care more aboout the fact that they seem to have the initiative and the stamina to mount attacks, resist the old bill, take space and hold it unopposed, without any trace of opposition after about teatime. If this is something anti-fascists think they can call a victory then fuck help us if this movement takes off in the way it has the potential to.

Then the answer is to get involved and get organising, either in or out of an existing organisation.

Maybe anti fascists could have been bolder today. Last time though it's estimated that there were 10,000 fash. Running headlong into a situation where you're outnumbered in an open space isn't going to win any prizes.

Good to see that some perhaps more traditional leftists are realising the threat this movement represents. This movement was born with the EDL, which many on here dismissed as an irrelevance.
 
Then the answer is to get involved and get organising, either in or out of an existing organisation.

Maybe anti fascists could have been bolder today. Last time though it's estimated that there were 10,000 fash. Running headlong into a situation where you're outnumbered in an open space isn't going to win any prizes.

Good to see that some perhaps more traditional leftists are realising the threat this movement represents. This movement was born with the EDL, which many on here dismissed as an irrelevance.

Unlike the EDL though this isn't just the usual suspects plus a bunch of up for it casuals, although that's what the more vocal crowd around Nelson's Column looked like. But around the square and in the pub there were lots of older eccentric ukip types, young smartly dressed generation identity types and 4chan type geeks. The constituency seems to have broadened considerably, which might not do them much good in the long run, it remains to be seen, but they looked very different to the traditional far right crowd.
 
Unlike the EDL though this isn't just the usual suspects plus a bunch of up for it casuals, although that's what the more vocal crowd around Nelson's Column looked like. But around the square and in the pub there were lots of older eccentric ukip types, young smartly dressed generation identity types and 4chan type geeks. The constituency seems to have broadened considerably, which might not do them much good in the long run, it remains to be seen, but they looked very different to the traditional far right crowd.
As far as I understand it, though, there were actually two different demonstrations going on. The post-EDL lot basically latched onto a separate pro-Trump demo. I would guess the kippers, 4-channers etc were part of that.
 
Unlike the EDL though this isn't just the usual suspects plus a bunch of up for it casuals, although that's what the more vocal crowd around Nelson's Column looked like. But around the square and in the pub there were lots of older eccentric ukip types, young smartly dressed generation identity types and 4chan type geeks. The constituency seems to have broadened considerably, which might not do them much good in the long run, it remains to be seen, but they looked very different to the traditional far right crowd.

The EDL wasn't "The usual suspects" . Some neo Nazi types may have joined in later but it sprang into being very quickly without their involvement .

The point being that some warned of the dangers of an ultra nationalist street movement being able to flourish without serious opposition while others who perhaps should have known better dismissed the endeavour as "Flag chasing".
 
Unlike the EDL though this isn't just the usual suspects plus a bunch of up for it casuals, although that's what the more vocal crowd around Nelson's Column looked like. But around the square and in the pub there were lots of older eccentric ukip types, young smartly dressed generation identity types and 4chan type geeks. The constituency seems to have broadened considerably, which might not do them much good in the long run, it remains to be seen, but they looked very different to the traditional far right crowd.

Ah, the middle classes. Who would have thought it? "They really should know better".
 
Unlike the EDL though this isn't just the usual suspects plus a bunch of up for it casuals, although that's what the more vocal crowd around Nelson's Column looked like. But around the square and in the pub there were lots of older eccentric ukip types, young smartly dressed generation identity types and 4chan type geeks. The constituency seems to have broadened considerably, which might not do them much good in the long run, it remains to be seen, but they looked very different to the traditional far right crowd.
Yup this is the emerging audience a curious blend of alt right proTrump libertarian types being courted by Gen Id and UKIP suits and a more w/class TR brigade with some hard core fash.I'm not sure the latter can turn the former into a violent street movement tbh.
 
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