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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

The39thStep said:
The report . Very shallow no real insight . The FLA aren't going anywhere as the FLA but the issues aren't going away either
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Really? What more insight do you need into these kind of people? I know some in real life. They can be decent enough in some ways, but their concerns are hijacked by the tabloids and right wing figureheads (like TR) and you end up with what you see in the report.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Really? What more insight do you need into these kind of people? I know some in real life. They can be decent enough in some ways, but their concerns are hijacked by the tabloids and right wing figureheads (like TR) and you end up with what you see in the report.
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I'm suppose I'm looking for context and an examination of driving forces. What's the context of those that you know in real life? I know a few sympathetic to TR who are generally ok and will at least discuss the issues .
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Really? What more insight do you need into these kind of people? I know some in real life. They can be decent enough in some ways, but their concerns are hijacked by the tabloids and right wing figureheads (like TR) and you end up with what you see in the report.
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Concerns about children being abused by gangs is surprising, isn’t it?
 
The39thStep said:
The report . Very shallow no real insight . The FLA aren't going anywhere as the FLA but the issues aren't going away either
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I thought the FLA ppl were given a fair hearing.

They aired their views and exposed their inchoate worldview.

I don't think you should expect too much from daytime BBC, but I think to say it's very shallow is a bit harsh
 
Magnus McGinty said:
There’s no innuendo, it’s like you’re surprised that people are upset about grooming gangs and getting bombed. How are you going to counter it?
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Why do you think I'm surprised? I have no indication that was my reaction at all.

I understand that they think Britain is assailed by muslim child rapists and suicide bombers. I also understand, as I said by the word inchoate, that they are grossly misguided.

What can we do about it? Well at first blush my feeling is the answers have to come from the working class. Political alienation is a huge problem so expecting our lords and masters to have any answers, or even be listened to if they offer correct analysis, is a mistake because the FLA types will just regard that as being patronised further.

Unfortuantely this is compounded by the social media parasites that profit of all this; such as the likes of Sargon, Stefan Molynue or Lauren Southern - all of whom were part or party to TR's big free speech protest.
 
Kaka Tim said:
yep - definitely the same old faces. They had their tails up a month ago - but the pitiful turnout 2 weeks ago and now this has got to demoralise them - plus the big turn out to oppose them. London next weekend might be a different story - are their anti-trump protests at the same time?
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Hopefully Leeds turns out to be the Columbia game!


Stop Trump on July 13th – Stop Tommy on the 14th!
 
19force8 said:
Three part analysis of the Tommy Robinson Phenomenon:

Know your enemy: the Tommy Robinson movement (part 1)

Some valid insights, but missing a vital component of any "know your enemy" approach - how to use that knowledge to defeat them.
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I won't say that he can't be defeated, obviously, but I think we are so far gone in this post factual period that any time you present counter factual arguments or evidence, people like this retreat into a sense of perceived oppression and argument is shut down. I personally don't know how to deal with that.
 
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