Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[butchersapron]

Every two bob football/scooter/speedway etc club does this.

 

[Shechemite]

There’s always been that ‘even more mental than the rest’ element within fascism (Eg Thule Society, Christian Soldier group etc).

Have they ever been that influential within large organisations?

 

[butchersapron]

no

 

[treelover]

There was a drama on BBC once which was about an 'order' of knights in England which turned to terrorism. I think it was an episode of Spooks, not sure though.

 

[Red Sky]

Right, what is this shit. Being referenced on a message board is one thing, hearing about them at work today is pretty much a step up.

Quote from colleague to another colleague who is ex-army. "Have you heard of this Knights Templar thing? My brother-in-law lives in the Midlands and he says he's been approached to join. Something about 20,000 ex-squaddies protecting the country, he reckons this Muslim thing is going to blow up and the Knights Templar want to be ready. I don't agree with this racism thing and I don't agree with a lot of what that Tommy Robinson says but I do agree with some of it."

That's pretty much a verbatim quote. Hearing about it in my poxy little backwoods seemed very strange and has made me wonder just how deep this KT stuff goes. Have I just been victim of an unfortunate pocket of racism (because that's what it is, "I'm not racist but...") or is this KT stuff really spreading?

Pickman's model? Anyone?

"The lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars."

Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum

 

[JimW]

Is that League of St George lot still going?
ETA Internet says going but nowhere.

 

[billbond]

I see an endless stream of ugly, bald overweight white men.

Its like a Cardiff v Millwall meet up from the past

 

[butchersapron]

Its like a Cardiff v Millwall meet up from the past

No its not .

 

[butchersapron]

Why on earth don't enough working class people join middle class gyms for the anti fascism and that ?

 

[Red Sky]

Why on earth don't enough working class people join middle class gyms for the anti fascism and that ?

When was the last time you went to the gym?

 

[butchersapron]

When was the last time you went to the gym?

I don't. It's for specialists.

 

[Red Sky]

I don't. It's for specialists.

Too busy with the working class reading groups and that?

 

[butchersapron]

Too busy with the working class reading groups?

If it helps you to think that. Yep. And I want more of them too.

 

[Red Sky]

If it helps you to think that. Yep. And I want more of them too.

Dont expect you get many specialists at them. Just straight up geezers from building sites.

 

[butchersapron]

Red sky squadron, coastal command, your tail is showing.

At them?

 

[Red Sky]

Red sky squadron, coastal command, your tail is showing.

At them?

It's nearly 9 o clock I suppose.

 

[sealion]

Its like a Cardiff v Millwall meet up from the past

Considering we (Millwall) had a mob that was lead by and had many black blokes in it, i make you wrong. Not to mention the turkish, asian, scots and Irish blokes that run with us too! We opposed the nf many times when thay were about.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I was in the pub after I went to the demo, editing the photos I took, and when I went to the bar a guy who I’d heard behind me talking about politics in a conversation that had a bit of a “not a nationalist but” feel said “I see you had some photos there of the march today, did you go along then?”

“Yeah I do a lot of photography of protests, I was just editing the shots I took there.”

“Ah Tommy Robinson who is he really?” Bit of an odd comment. I think about how to respond to that.

“I’m not his biggest fan” I finally come up with. Subject changes to an unusual beer in the fridge until I get served.

I often come to this pub and edit photos that I’ve taken on demos as it’s on my way home and that’s the first time anyone has ever commented.

 

[billbond]

Considering we (Millwall) had a mob that was lead by and had many black blokes in it, i make you wrong. Not to mention the turkish, asian, scots and Irish and blokes that run with us too! We opposed the nf many times when thay were about.

Agree 100%
It was more the overweight and balding bit ! ha
Never got all the detail in
Tiny and Charlie infact helped me out years ago
(Names from the past)

 

[The39thStep]

Is that League of St George lot still going?
ETA Internet says going but nowhere.

I think most of them are either dead or are too Nazi-fied and looking to the past to have anything but the most marginal of influence .Neither the far right or anti fascism can get anywhere through just reinventing the pre and post war period. Funnily though enough IMO if ever there was a time for a revival of a Mosley influenced group that campaigned on both economic equality and anti Islam / immigration control it could be now. I think we are fortunate in that the modern day far right don't by and large don't have much or anything to say about post industrial society and the working person / family.

 

[The39thStep]

This is the prevaling wind across Europe .

 

[danny la rouge]

This is the prevaling wind across Europe .

Are those responses to suggested options or spontaneous answers?

 

[chilango]

Are those responses to suggested options or spontaneous answers?

When I've done yougov or ipsos it's been pick from a list.

 

[danny la rouge]

When I've done yougov or ipsos it's been pick from a list.

Indeed. I do YouGov too.

 

[The39thStep]

Are those responses to suggested options or spontaneous answers?

i think it options as across the top band

 

[emanymton]

This is the prevaling wind across Europe .

Those categories don't make a lot of snse.
Climate change and the environment separate. Lots of diffrent economic categories.
Looking at the uk, just adding economic situation and rising prices together you get the second highest category.

 

[bimble]

I'm trying to take comfort in the fact that the question was about problems facing the eu, not you your life or even your country?

 

[andysays]

This is the prevaling wind across Europe .

No mention there of Muslim peado gangs being allowing to thrive unchallenged because of politically correct police anxious not to appear racist, nor of the free speech of brave patriots being silenced

 

[Red Sky]

The far-right threat is getting more dangerous. We need to act.

 

[billbond]

The far-right threat is getting more dangerous. We need to act.

Yet says nothing about what they will do
Lets be honest some of these AF are thugs as well