Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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klang
klang
they won wars in lace less sandals....
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Which is, of course, fucking mental. Magnus McGinty, no one's saying anti-fascism should be niche and maybe we're talking at cross purposes here. But there's a difference between working with people you might not agree with and signing up to views of those people because it makes you "fit in" more.
The best I can explain it is like trades unionism. Everyone joins for a common goal (protect jobs, collectively bargain for pay and conditions) but not everyone has to fit a particular mould of what a trade unionist must look like.
As mentioned above there's some supposed anti fascists who are pushing it towards being a niche when actually the direction of travel should be opposite direction.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Pretty common position among that lot and their fellow travelers is that 'TERFs' are actual Nazis or at least are similar enough to be considered on the same page politically. We live in fucked up times...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there's a load of shite terfs and their fellow travellers have to say which is equally vile
It was more a cry of "concentrate on the fucking job in hand" than me taking a position on that particular can of worms.
They were lecturing XR (along with Freedom, Green Anticapitalist Front, Libcom etc etc) on the need for adequate arrest and prisoner support, which in my experience is pretty patchy amongst anti fascists.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh, i don't want to see this thread go the way of so many others. following the welling incident of 2009 i think all the defendants and those convicted received considerable support, but i'm not sure how other prisoners have fared.
SpineyNorman
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Some trade unionists will only have trade union consciousness comrade, its not their fault.
Not sure if you’re being sarky (Lenin?) but yeah, the union I’m in contains many people who aren’t asked for credentials on the door and are just members for the particular tasks that it performs.
Obviously being part of that can raise class consciousness amongst them as opposed to fucking them off at the entrance exam of leftist shibboleths.
SpineyNorman
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I'm just fucking about mate, long boring day so I'm trying to amuse myself. Just reminded me a bit of lenins stuff on revolutionary and trade union consciousness.
(I saw what you were getting at in my edit).do you mean the 43 group? morris beckman et al.? members of the CP were involved in it, as were non-jewish east-end antifascists.
And their most famous member certainly went on to be a living example of socialist ideals. Come on, let’s stop pretending it was some communist org.
not much stuff was written about the 62 group although chapter 5 in Hann's Physical Resistance and some stuff i got from searchlight I tried to include in the Militant AF book. Sometimes tracing clandestine militancy depends on very little evidence or personal material, for obvious reasons, and retelling of retellings.
i didn't say it was, the CP had a 'unit' in the 43 group and local socialists etc were involved and i think with local militant activity there is a cross over based on community rather than strict party lines. i dont know what your 1st point refers to, sorry.
I really hope he asked some Mosleyite "Something for the weekend,sir?" before belting him with a halfbrick in a sock or whatever.
Well if it doesn’t refer to the world famous anti fascist and hairdressing Brand Vidal Sassoon I’d struggle to pinpoint it also. But that backs my earlier points rather than disprove them.
Simple mistake to make...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Theres a new book on the 43 Group out in October published by Verso
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Did the CPGB have a 'unit' in the 43, have never heard that, would also seem an odd fit with CP politics post war
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Hmm have read the Hann book once and Beckman's at least twice and out of the ghetto loads (cos it's ace) but not ringing any bells
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Don’t know whether they a unit, as opposed to some members, involved, but it would fit absolutely with their politics at the time.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Not arguing but why do you think it would fit? This was period of Comintern's move away street stuff and to right (for want of better terms), CPGB's turn towards electoralism, a period when Moscow directed eg PCF towards broad front etc. I would have thought involvement in an a/f street group it didn't control would have been a terrible fit
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It was very popular in the seat where they had to win, basically. They were also starting to adapt their position on Zionism, and were forced to be fairly militant.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The CP official line was against direct action against the far right however in Rentons book, This Rough Game, he alleges that CP members were involved in the discussions around the funding of the 43 Group and there was a party cell within it. Because of their official line the CP wouldnt come out and support the 43 Group publically but as far as I am aware took no action against their members I think Beckman was quoted along the lines that they the 43 Group were independent but sometimes worked along side the CP but was worried about them trying to take them over.
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