Theresa May's time is up

[treelover]

I was chatting to a bloke I know who is pretty sound , he is about 30 ,we know each other on a decent level , he even said he likes chatting to elders like me , I'm only 46 ffs and he had admitted he reads my fb posts , which if I'm completely honest have been pretty hardcore labour pro in the last week saying he agrees what I say but thinks all Muslims are in it together and how his pretty underground dealings with them , how they don't give a shit about us apart from money, I tried to reason with him but he is scared but he is dealing with the wrong circles tbh.

What worried me is this feeling isn't uncommon around here , it seems people are preparing for civil war. Perfectly polite reasoned people are losing it. But in a weird way I understand why I was fuckimg scared last week , but I'm not going to take up arms..

it didn't help that his Rasta mate fell asleep in the pub garden where we were drinking , ending with me being asked to wake him up constant ly by the landlord. I say Rasta as he was black with dreads for no other reason than he stuck out like a sore thumb and this is little England , didn't help my cause tbh but I tried

This is why they won't vote for jezza as he is seen in Tory land as wanting to let all in and this is a big thing round here
Corbs and co need to educate people about the policy more clearly or I'm going to run out of breath trying to explain and educate folk
Much like radicalised Muslims we have our own home grown militia in waiting...

This scares me as much

roughly which area is this? very alarming if widespread, though i am not sure it is, there have always been a number of people like this.

 

[Wilf]

her entire life has been going for the top job, despite having a toolbox that is deficient for the role. She has nothing to lose by hanging on. Only some horrendous sex and drug scandal could possible make her walk of her own choice. She has nothing at all after politics- nothing going on whatsovever. Its pitiful and somewhat sad

It might transpire that the whole crop circle thing had its origins in Theresa's naked wheatfield romps.

 

[19force8]

Some interesting points made by this blog All That Is Solid ...: Are the Tories in Terminal Decline?

First that 13.6 million votes is only slightly less than Thatcher in '87 and more than Blair in '97.

Then with the boundary changes only 18 months away they only need to totter along for a couple of years and the system will be rigged in their favour for at least a generation.

Depressing, but it makes sense of Corbyn's urgency in wanting to kick them out pdq.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Some interesting points made by this blog All That Is Solid ...: Are the Tories in Terminal Decline?

First that 13.6 million votes is only slightly less than Thatcher in '87 and more than Blair in '97.

Then with the boundary changes only 18 months away they only need to totter along for a couple of years and the system will be rigged in their favour for at least a generation.

Depressing, but it makes sense of Corbyn's urgency in wanting to kick them out pdq.

cant see the boundary changes going through now - the DUP will lose seats and theres a few tory mps who aren't keen as well.

also the blog argues that the tories are in a very difficult position and that 2017 probably marked the high point of their support.

 

[Corax]

her entire life has been going for the top job, despite having a toolbox that is deficient for the role. She has nothing to lose by hanging on. Only some horrendous sex and drug scandal could possible make her walk of her own choice. She has nothing at all after politics- nothing going on whatsovever. Its pitiful and somewhat sad

She can always concentrate on cooking and ironing.

 

[Corax]

Some interesting points made by this blog All That Is Solid ...: Are the Tories in Terminal Decline?

First that 13.6 million votes is only slightly less than Thatcher in '87 and more than Blair in '97.

These figures keep getting presented (in the press, tv etc) without some pretty essential context.

UK population

1987: 56.6m
1997: 58.3m
2017: 65.5m

 

[emanymton]

I'm going to make myself hostage to fortune here but I think it's going to be a damp squib. Yes, the Tories are good at regicide, but not when they're as likely to lose power as a result as they are here. They could muck about after the referendum last year without worrying, because Corbyn's Labour were nowhere at that point. I'm sure being in control's more important to them than liking or approving of the boss.

So she'll be given a going-over, but future leadership contenders will be scrupulously loyal as Boris was yesterday, and in the end they'll rally round because 'what's important now is stability and firm leadership as we go into the critical Brexit negotiations'.

None of this means she'll last the year out, of course. Queen's speech may be a tougher gig.

On the Today programme this morning they were talking about it being months. I don't know if it will be that long but they will certainly wait until they have got a Queen's speech passed andhave a functioning government.

 

[Wilf]

I'd have thought the 'long term' for her staying is somewhere around next May/June (brexit negotiations have to be in place to go on to the euro parliament I believe + local elections). She may have to go before then if 'something happens', but its not in the interest of anyone else to take over before then. Also, any challenge to her leadership, after this week at least, looks like pure opportunism. Johnson et al had their chance to act over the weekend and haven't.

 

[19force8]

cant see the boundary changes going through now - the DUP will lose seats and theres a few tory mps who aren't keen as well.

also the blog argues that the tories are in a very difficult position and that 2017 probably marked the high point of their support.

Both the DUP and reluctant Tories can and will be bought off. It's in the long term interests of their party/class.

This blog has form for claiming the Tories are finished (see run up to 2015 election). Also, as one of the comments points out the demise of the Tories has been predicted since the 1820s.

 

[frogwoman]

could the tories put off the boundary changes? it's not going to be very good for every single tory is it?

 

[19force8]

These figures keep getting presented (in the press, tv etc) without some pretty essential context.

UK population

1987: 56.6m
1997: 58.3m
2017: 65.5m

Or you could look at the votes cast in those elections:

1987 - 33 m
1992 - 33.6m
1997 - 33m
2017 - 32m

 

[19force8]

could the tories put off the boundary changes? it's not going to be very good for every single tory is it?

They'll take the peerages / directorships.

 

[frogwoman]

those boundary changes were going to benefit the tories because the seats would take in more wealthy rural populations, weren't they?

can that still be assumed to be true?

 

[billy_bob]

On the Today programme this morning they were talking about it being months. I don't know if it will be that long but they will certainly wait until they have got a Queen's speech passed andhave a functioning government.

I'd have thought the 'long term' for her staying is somewhere around next May/June (brexit negotiations have to be in place to go on to the euro parliament I believe + local elections). She may have to go before then if 'something happens', but its not in the interest of anyone else to take over before then. Also, any challenge to her leadership, after this week at least, looks like pure opportunism. Johnson et al had their chance to act over the weekend and haven't.

I don't think it's in Corbyn's or Labour's longer-term interests to push too hard, either. He needs to get the balance right of lobbing in well-timed grenades without actually blowing the wheels off. If they took over now, it would be with no or an equally slim majority so they wouldn't get any of the fairly good stuff they've promised done anyway, and all they'd end up with is a large part of the blame for the inevitable brexit shitstorm.

 

[Corax]

Or you could look at the votes cast in those elections:

1987 - 33 m
1992 - 33.6m
1997 - 33m
2017 - 32m

Fair point - that puts it in a very different light to the population ones. But then we have to look at the shift from and back towards two-party dominance as well, and, and... and get sucked into a never ending fractal of additional variables...

 

[Corax]

those boundary changes were going to benefit the tories because the seats would take in more wealthy rural populations, weren't they?

can that still be assumed to be true?

Safe to say that Gerrymandering will always benefit the party in power. The US don't even pretend otherwise any more, it's overtly stated as part of party political strategy.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

These figures keep getting presented (in the press, tv etc) without some pretty essential context.

UK population

1987: 56.6m
1997: 58.3m
2017: 65.5m

How many cities the size of Birmingham is that, for the benefit of any kippers here?

 

[19force8]

Fair point - that puts it in a very different light to the population ones. But then we have to look at the shift from and back towards two-party dominance as well, and, and... and get sucked into a never ending fractal of additional variables...

Please NO!

I once worked with a psephologically inclined Labour hack. It was pure torture.

 

[redsquirrel]

Then with the boundary changes only 18 months away they only need to totter along for a couple of years and the system will be rigged in their favour for at least a generation.

Like Kaka Tim said I can't see the boundary changes going through. They'll have enough shit fights on their hands without that.

 

[Corax]

How many cities the size of Birmingham is that, for the benefit of any kippers here?

Thirty, and all of them benefit scrounging jihadis.

 

[ruffneck23]

roughly which area is this? very alarming if widespread, though i am not sure it is, there have always been a number of people like this.

A little village in Surrey, near Leatherhead

 

[billy_bob]

Reports now that the Queen's Speech will be delayed while the Tories and DUP decide who gets which side of the bed and who has to look after Boris on which weekends.

I think it's still inscribed with a metal spike onto the naked back of a peasant according to hallowed tradition, and the wounds have to heal over before Madge can read it so she doesn't get the wrong colour of blood on her ceremonial robes. So it takes a few days to put together

 

[Treacle Toes]

Apparently seen on the streets of Bristol.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Won't it be ironic if the DUP end up in a marriage that doesn't last?

 

[Wilf]

Won't it be ironic if the DUP end up in a marriage that doesn't last?

"Following reports of Michael Gove breaking the injunction against shellfish found in Leviticus, we can no longer continue in this sham marriage. NO SURRENDER!'

 

[DotCommunist]

Reports now that the Queen's Speech will be delayed while the Tories and DUP decide who gets which side of the bed and who has to look after Boris on which weekends.

I think it's still inscribed with a metal spike onto the naked back of a peasant according to hallowed tradition, and the wounds have to heal over before Madge can read it so she doesn't get the wrong colour of blood on her ceremonial robes. So it takes a few days to put together

they really do need to modernise in todays fast paced world. I demand a reddit AMA with all party leaders!

 

[19force8]

Won't it be ironic if the DUP end up in a marriage that doesn't last?

They only ever last until death...

 

[billy_bob]

Apparently seen on the streets of Bristol.

I'm more impressed by the Maybot-style merging of her with the billboard pedestal than with the rather amateur graphic design. If only they'd also thought to black out the 'r', the first 'i' and the 'e' on the name of the company that owns it.

 

[Raheem]

I'm more impressed by the Maybot-style merging of her with the billboard pedestal than with the rather amateur graphic design.

A hairy chest looks good on her, though.

 

[Smangus]

All we need is for Sinn Fien to turn up just once to vote against the Queens speech , now that would fuck them all up. Shame it will never happen though.