Theresa May's time is up

[Pickman's model]

Toast Rider

do you remember the labour government lowering the tax rate for the low paid to 10%?

and do you remember them doubling it to 20%?

what will "the labour government" do for the working poor? fucking platitudes?

i'm not dealing in hypotheticals.

do you recall the 10% tax rate the labour govt introduced which they then proceeded to double?

do you remember labour governments?
now don't misunderstand us, vote labour if you want, we can't stop you, but...
do you remember labour governments?
do you remember notting hill?
do you remember lewisham?
do you remember southall and the murder of blair peach?
go ahead, vote labour if you have to, but...
do you remember grunwicks?
do you remember the winter of discontent?
do you think if kinnock was in power during the miners' strike he would have treated them any different than the tories did?
do you think if labour were in power their reaction to the urban uprisings would have been any different from the police?
do you think truncheons and plastic bullets will taste nicer under a labour government?
do you really believe that the capitalist elite will allow themselves to be peacefully voted out of existence by some poxy labour party, just like that without a fight?
do you seriously think that the nonsense of parliament has any real relevance to the class war going on every day in the streets and factories?
do you think our whole lives should be reduced to the misery of hanging around waiting for the next election, just so we can vote labour, hoping in vain it will change something? IT WILL CHANGE NOTHING!!

parties, vanguards and leaderships can't give us what we need, they only represent their own class interests. the only time we really win anything is when we fight for it ourselves, with our own hands through DIRECT ACTION/MASS RESISTANCE/WORKERS CONTROL

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't you think trying to engage what people say and address their points would be better than this? It's not a good look is it

Come back when you have a point worth engaging with.

 

[chilango]

If I was May I'd quit on World Cup Final Day.

 

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[Wilf]

For some reason she gives her Frieda Kahlo broach another outing:

 

[Wilf]

Suppose the thing that will keep her clinging on till the last of her fingers is broken is her lack of dignity. FFS, she's doing all this in the name of Brexit, which she doesn't even believe in.

 

[Wilf]

Doesn't seem to be much sign of other ahem, 'significant tories' following Johnson's leads tonight. Might be wrong, they might be consulting the swivel eyed cunts at home their local associations. Strangely, Davis and Johnson going doesn't seem to have changed much. Maybe they've just left it too late.

 

[not-bono-ever]

its all about themselves- maybe Johnson and Davies jumped the shark on this and a punt in their direction may be poison for long view careers.

 

[Wilf]

Can't see her doing it, but may's best move would be to call the likes of Johnson and rees-mogg out, along the lines of 'now really isn't the time to do this, but if you really want to, let's have a contest'. Suspect Johnson would shit himself, RM less predictable cos he's a swiveller.

 

[not-bono-ever]

this is the view of an economist i was talking to today- may advised front it and try see off a challenge, consigning them to the periphery- making them come out as shrill and unhinged

 

[Kaka Tim]

yeah - apparently they haven't got the number to force a confidence vote yet.
She's called their bluff - and they look to be bottling it. There's around 80mps in the hard brexit camp - but they are sitting on their hands.
May actually be in a significantly stronger position now then she was 24 hours ago.

 

[Wilf]

yeah - apparently they haven't got the number to force a confidence vote yet.
She's called their bluff - and they look to be bottling it. There's around 80mps in the hard brexit camp - but they are sitting on their hands.
May actually be in a significantly stronger position now then she was 24 hours ago.

Presumably their only way to get a swiveller is to get the 48 letters and then get a united swivellist candidate to try and get on the ballot paper (unlikely)- and then hope the membership votes swivellist. Suspect they could get the 48, might well ultimately get a swivellist in the top 2 (a swivellist lite probably) but even the wild eyed tory membership might be getting sick of their shite now, leaving may as leader.

 

[Raheem]

Presumably their only way to get a swiveller is to get the 48 letters and then get a united swivellist candidate to try and get on the ballot paper (unlikely)- and then hope the membership votes swivellist. Suspect they could get the 48, might well ultimately get a swivellist in the top 2 (a swivellist lite probably) but even the wild eyed tory membership might be getting sick of their shite now, leaving may as leader.

They changed the rules at some point, I believe, so that now you need the 48 or whatever it is in order to trigger a vote of no confidence. The problem for the hope and glory lot is that there's no way they can win the confidence vote, so May has won for the time being.

 

[Wilf]

They changed the rules at some point, I believe, so that now you need the 48 or whatever it is in order to trigger a vote of no confidence. The problem for the hope and glory lot is that there's no way they can win the confidence vote, so May has won for the time being.

Ah, yes forgot. cheers

 

[A380]

Can't see her doing it, but may's best move would be to call the likes of Johnson and rees-mogg out, along the lines of 'now really isn't the time to do this, but if you really want to, let's have a contest'. Suspect Johnson would shit himself, RM less predictable cos he's a swiveller.

It worked for John Major. Does anyone know if it’s the sitting Tory leader who calls the leadership election the ‘no other contest within 12 months applies?

 

[Pickman's model]

For some reason she gives her Frieda Kahlo broach another outing:

Theresa may drinks to forget her troubles but the damn things have learned to swim

 

[Poi E]

The Tory front bench don't know whether to laugh or cry. Liam Fox looked particularly uncomfortable.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Tory front bench don't know whether to laugh or cry. Liam Fox looked particularly uncomfortable.

Good

 

[hot air baboon]

I got the impression from yesterday's Newsnight that the rank & file are still sticking to Nurse for now ( even amongst brexiteers ) & there's no way the ideological wing are going to get support at this time to move against her. What could change that is if the polls suddenley take a huge dive & enough of the scum think she's toxifying the brand to such an extent that their seats could be at risk - but that's probably too far-off a prospect atm

 

[ska invita]

From what I can see the car will properly crash when/(if) the EU don't budge over 4 freedoms and the UK either capitulates or goes it alone. If that impasse is reached all shit will still hit fans.

ATM the Chequers proposal remains quite cake and eat it from what I can tell...less cake, but still eating it.
There's also the question of Will Labour Support This.

Its hard to follow though, and there's been a noticeable lack of EU voices firing across the bows and saying that the Chequers proposal is shit. I expect they're liking some of it... The question is how much more pressure will they put on the proposal and what more concessions the Tories might make...I don't think the Tory Leave supporters who are getting on board with the Chequers Proposal will be up for anything beyond it.

Its a tightrope...one more little push and everyone will fall off.

 

[not-bono-ever]

EU have a bigger game to play that involves the continuity of the bloc. If the U.K. is acceptable to a bit of loss of face, the EU will make this process easier. This is as the whole point of the Friday agreement- giving the wriggle room for a negotiation. They will not publicly reject fridays statements out of hand.

 

[Kaka Tim]

the trouble for May will be if labour join the mogglodytes in voting against her brexit proposals. that kind of fucks everything - it would mean no brexit deal can get through parliament - which mean crashing out with no deal, a 2nd ref and/or a general election.

 

[bemused]

yeah - apparently they haven't got the number to force a confidence vote yet.
She's called their bluff - and they look to be bottling it. There's around 80mps in the hard brexit camp - but they are sitting on their hands.
May actually be in a significantly stronger position now then she was 24 hours ago.

I have a grudging respect for her. She offered to go after she made a mess of the election, she knows she's going to go before the next one. Now she's kicked Boris in the balls, whilst at the same time taking the piss out of him.

Her key weapon seems to be calling their bluff to oust her because she knows none of them wants the job before Brexit.

 

[bemused]

the trouble for May will be if labour join the mogglodytes in voting against her brexit proposals. that kind of fucks everything - it would mean no brexit deal can get through parliament - which mean crashing out with no deal, a 2nd ref and/or a general election.

Labour isn't going to vote for any deal the Tories agree to, they'd be mad to do so.

 

[killer b]

the trouble for May will be if labour join the mogglodytes in voting against her brexit proposals. that kind of fucks everything - it would mean no brexit deal can get through parliament - which mean crashing out with no deal, a 2nd ref and/or a general election.

Which is why, in the end, the tories will most likely get in line.

 

[Wilf]

Which is why, in the end, the tories will most likely get in line.

Yes, they might be swivel eyed but there's ultimately enough self interest/rationality in there to avoid that scenario. TBH, I'm not sure Labour could get itself into shape sufficiently to deliver all of its MPs for anything either.

 

[A380]

It worked for John Major. Does anyone know if it’s the sitting Tory leader who calls the leadership election the ‘no other contest within 12 months applies?

 

[killer b]

Yes, they might be swivel eyed but there's ultimately enough self interest/rationality in there to avoid that scenario. TBH, I'm not sure Labour could get itself into shape sufficiently to deliver all of its MPs for anything either.

The stress test was the meaningful vote amendment the other week. Labour can get all but 5 in line. Tory rebels crumble like a bad tooth.

 

[Kaka Tim]

dunno - the brexit headbangers are fanatical. They would see BINO as a great betrayal and some of them would definitely vote against the government. How could the likes of mogg not do so given how they have pretty much defined themselves as the bulwark against the evils of the EU?
The tory remainers are a lot wetter, careerist and "sensible"

 

[gosub]

her running through fields of wheat admission......