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What the shit... that plastics factory. Ax^ - I agree with you; the company should be forced to pay the wages of the dead, but not all companies see it that way because humans have free will, even though you can be told by management "you leave, you're fired". Well, if you leave and the building is decimated, there's no job to come back to until everything is cleaned up. By that time it would be a different conversation, I'd think.

No job is worth the risk of a life. Yes, people need an income to survive and some are barely surviving on their income. However, if you can't evacuate or you get flooded, hell, even if you die, how can you recover from any of that (or your family recover from your death)? Over something as trivial as staying for the working hours? It'd be different if it was some freak storm that all of a sudden brought on 4 feet of water or more and no one got notice. But with technology these days, usually you get 12-24 hours or more of a time span to plan and do what is needed.

I understand the worry about watching the water come closer to your doors and getting flood warning alerts while being at work. I've been in that situation way too much.

There are a few people at my current place of employment who watch the weather (myself included) and in bad torrential storms, we plan our afternoon accordingly, as the area I work in can flood so bad, it gets up past the tires of the cars and roads shut down. Bridges close with wind speeds of over 40 miles an hour, and the ends of the bridges flood. Most of the people who commute to this company rely on those bridges to get home / to work. If the bridge is closed while they're at work, they can't get home. A few times my boss has taken his time to watch the radar when we've said to him "it's getting bad out; our parking lot is pooling and we are afraid of what the roads will look like. We'd like to go home, please, while we still have the ability". He says "it's not that bad out and it'll pass soon". Yea, ask the tornado that passed over the area just 5 minutes from our building last summer. Ask me how I fared when the battery light in my car kept going off because I had to drive through shin deep water a couple days; I kept telling myself "you'll make it out. You don't need a new car... you'll get through it", and I did, but there was that chance I'd need a new ride. On another day a pickup truck went so fast down a flooding street, that when he passed me, he sent a blanket of water over my car, completely enshrouding me, which caused me to veer into another lane and almost cause an accident. It was terrifying because I absolutely couldn't see, and this is a busy main road. My boss has spent his whole life here, so he thinks any storm that passes through is nothing, even a hurricane. He owns a pickup truck and a couple electric vehicles (Tesla, Mustang).

That's why I can understand people's frustration, anxiety, worry, etc. when storms roll through. I'm fortunate that I haven't been flooded out like all the other cities and states have been, and I acknowledge that. I'm lucky, but pretty soon my luck will run out. My mother has a friend who lives the next street over from the big waterway and their house got totaled during Ian. Four feet of water touched every corner of that place and they stayed in their house, watching the unit become a literal indoor swimming pool. Much like what all the reports are showing above this post, in all the other states. It's no joke, and it's disheartening to see. At the same time, there's a small voice that says "we put ourselves in this situation" and it is hard to keep still.
 

In the wake of Helene, the rumours spin out of control. Some Republicans ask supporters to dial down the hate for a bit.

But the lies are amplified. Money isn't going to the victims, it's going to migrants. The weather is being "controlled".
 

In the wake of Helene, the rumours spin out of control. Some Republicans ask supporters to dial down the hate for a bit.

But the lies are amplified. Money isn't going to the victims, it's going to migrants. The weather is being "controlled".

you think Trump himself had a history of redirecting fund from fema

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The unfortunate part of all these storms is that we are currently in what's called "peak hurricane season", when the probability of getting back to back storms is greater. The more the warm waters churn monster storms, the more problematic they get. Peak season ends this month, but the formal hurricane season ends December 1. Until we hit that December date, we're apt to continue to be on the receiving end of a lot more named storms.

If I recall correctly, it was fairly recently (within the last 5 years) that we ran out of names for the storms (Hurricanes run 21 letters of the alphabet) and there were at least half a dozen new storms named after Greek names. No one expected that, and the National Weather Center won't do it again.

To quote a line from All About Eve, "Fasten your seatbelts; we're in for a bumpy night"... which feels like it'll be the rest of the year (at this rate).


I'm not surprised about the conspiracy theories and political misinformation. I feel like this happens after every major US event (especially during election season). We just haven't really been pushing it to the forefront until the Orange Shitgibbon started squawking like a toddler over his own dumb rhetoric. Of course other parties are going to fight back. There has to be someone to attempt to put that baby in his place ("attempt" being the key word). If you can control the weather with a magic marker on a school poster board, you can do whatever you wish with everything else.


e2a: kretek's comment about "Some Republicans ask supporters to dial down the hate for a bit" is how it should be, permanently. Not just for a bit, for ever. Dial down the hate, period.
 
Yahoo News (via CNN) is reporting this morning that the plastic factory in Tennessee is being investigated due to the awful mismanaging of its employees (the deaths, etc) during the flooding: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-investigating-plastics-factory-helene-235538474.html

As expected, the company is denying all claims ("Impact Plastics has forcefully denied those claims, saying late Thursday the allegations are false, and no employee was stopped from leaving" - per link).

Article goes on to say "Meanwhile, Impact Plastics told CNN a preliminary review of the September 27 flooding event showed all employees had left the plant less than an hour after power went out at the facility and public warning alerts were sent to cell phones.

Supervisors “did not prohibit its employees from leaving” and “did not threaten anyone with discharge from employment,” the company said in the statement on Thursday
".

There are people speaking up:
"“The problem with that narrative is that’s not what a lot of people are saying or agreeing with. In fact, the exact opposite,” Coleman said. “We’ve already talked to several that, let’s just say, are opposed to what the company is saying.”

Senior management was the last to leave about 45 minutes after the plant had been closed and all other employees had been dismissed, the company said.

An employee who made it out of the building safely told WCYB when he asked if he could leave work after seeing a flooded parking lot, he said he was told no. Another employee, Jacob Ingram, told CNN affiliate WVLT he was told, “No, not yet” when he asked to leave
".

Maybe this is a good thing? Shedding light on it and making people ask more questions?

Not that a loss of life is a good thing, please forgive that insinuation. I mean is as people need to question what happened at that facility and see why employees had to die because of the corporate greed within the building.
 
It's a Category 5 and the prediction is Tampa will get hit the hardest. Tampa is about 3 hours north of me, so my area is going to get the storm surges and flooding, hopefully. It's a matter of where the hurricane actually lands on Wednesday, that will say how badly we get it, and it'll be on the other coast and into the Atlantic by Thursday night. Friday morning it'll be completely gone.

This thing is already breaking records, and it isn't close to the state yet.

It is rapidly intensifying because there's nothing to buffer it down. Meaning, there's no island or country between Mexico and Florida to take the brunt of the force of it. With the warm waters and air circulation, there's nothing stopping it from gaining traction. We usually have other countries to protect us and take the impact, but right now, we're going to take it for the other countries.

You don't realize what you have and have to pack up in an instant to get to higher ground (if necessary) until it happens. We take our little treasures and trinkets for granted. You have to dial it back a lot and pack what you can carry in a second's notice.

I'm still in my house; if needed we will go upstairs to our neighbor, but we hope we don't have to. We've been pretty insulated so far with previous storms (Ian was a 4 with big water) so hopefully we will fare the same this week.
 
It's a Category 5 and the prediction is Tampa will get hit the hardest. Tampa is about 3 hours north of me, so my area is going to get the storm surges and flooding, hopefully. It's a matter of where the hurricane actually lands on Wednesday, that will say how badly we get it, and it'll be on the other coast and into the Atlantic by Thursday night. Friday morning it'll be completely gone.

This thing is already breaking records, and it isn't close to the state yet.

It is rapidly intensifying because there's nothing to buffer it down. Meaning, there's no island or country between Mexico and Florida to take the brunt of the force of it. With the warm waters and air circulation, there's nothing stopping it from gaining traction. We usually have other countries to protect us and take the impact, but right now, we're going to take it for the other countries.

You don't realize what you have and have to pack up in an instant to get to higher ground (if necessary) until it happens. We take our little treasures and trinkets for granted. You have to dial it back a lot and pack what you can carry in a second's notice.

I'm still in my house; if needed we will go upstairs to our neighbor, but we hope we don't have to. We've been pretty insulated so far with previous storms (Ian was a 4 with big water) so hopefully we will fare the same this week.
 
Yes, Milton is going to be big news on Wednesday and it’s the last thing that the West coast of Florida needed whilst they’re starting to clear up from Helene😮

Useful overview of the model forecasting and likely impacts here:

 
Milton weakened to a 4 over night, but it is expected to strengthen back to a 5 at some point this morning. He also delayed his arrive by a couple hours. I think he got stuck in water traffic? (lol) It looks like we won't see any impact now until sometime Thursday instead of over the course of the afternoon on Wednesday. He's a slow moving storm, and predictions are still in place he'll become a 3 by landfall. Also, due to the shift, Tampa is still expected to get the brunt of it, but since he could be widening, Milton might hit more land than expected too. It's still too early to tell.
 
Locals being told “leave or die”

People being asked to write their name and DOB on their arm or thigh with a sharpie. So they can be identified after the storm….

15 foot storm surge currently predicted.

All the debris from Helene 10 days ago is still piled up. It’ll become destructive and deadly shrapnel when Milton arrives.

Roads out are either gridlocked or moving very slowly. Gas stations along the route are said to be running low.

Some people can’t leave: no money, no place to go. Family members with complex needs/ disabilities who need close care.
 
The stuff about the hurricane being 'controlled'


Trump is saying that?

I know his followers are saying it but he’s actually saying it too? Wow.

There are a lot of stupid conspiracy theories about Helene going around. I hadn’t realised Trump had said it out loud,

ETA I thought his stuff was all about how the aid wasn’t getting through, was going to the wrong people, was capped at $750 etc.





Anyway.

The most important thing for this thread is to keep thinking about our Floridian urbanites and hope you all find safe passage through Milton.
 
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