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freudian slip or what!Without us coming here with out skills, you'd still be fetching your water from the Thames.
The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig
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Minnie_the_Minx
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Sorry
See post 901
Minnie_the_Minx
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They may do, if it's friends and considered banter
Can't be arsed reading 30 odd pages. I'm bored sitting ostracised in a bar in new zealand but not bored enough for 30 pages. Did these dick press charges? Or are they just dicks? They sound like fucking drama queens and tbh a boycott of the windy by their types ain't a prob. Dicks.
kittyP
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Pretty much that.
quimcunx
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See in trying to see it from their pov i suspect these girls genuinely feel they've been badly treated, accurate in their version and justified in kicking up a fuss. Doesn't mean they are right, of course. It's rare for anyone to allocate more blame to themselves than to the other party. most women have never been in that sort of altercation. i certainly haven't and would have been left very shaken from the experience however much bravado i might want to put on the next day. we all get taught that you shouldn't hit women (as far as i'm concerned, you should avoid hitting anyone, but you should be able to defend yourself even if you are a man and your attacker a woman) so they are unlikely to have met that sort of reaction to twattishness before. The initial exchange hasn't been covered in any detail from either side so i wonder that it was not handled very well from the windmill side or there would be more detail. And anyone who has read a thread on here has seen for themselves how hard people considered 'decent' find it to back down from their position.
A few weeks ago i had a status on fb about offering someone out for a fight on the bus. it was not a very accurate description of what happened, which was in fact an entirely good natured exchange. But to someone who doesn't know me? What might they think? People bullshit for lols or other reasons. that could be evidence that speaks volumes if someone started up a fight with me next week.
Maybe it would even be worth them all sitting down and resolving this because outside of people who know the windmill and think well of it and those who know and think well of the tuts there are a lot of people who don't know either. And a hell of a lot of people aren't going to see a 'big man' manhandling a 'slip of a girl' in a very good light. or maybe the guy who manages/booked them who came on here can mediate.
She may have acted like a twat but managers of drinking establishments should be able to handle these sorts of situations better than this seems to have been. I can only go on the accounts I've read of course. I don't know either of them.
quimcunx
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What does?
quimcunx said:
All the stuff. Your post is good, just that it is easier to sit here as we are and be logical.
They will lose SO much face if they alter their story now I doubt they will. Seems to be a poor show by both parties to a degree and they are 'young and fun' acting up, but the landlord is a violent racist being dragged through the mud.
The pubs version of events is quiet humble with an admission it could have been handled better. Tuts version is one sided drama.
Miss-Shelf
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I thought this too - surely drunk arsehole-y-ness is pretty much the norm for a pub landlord to be handling?
quimcunx
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for sure.
Miss-Shelf said:
Difficult situations are difficult. I have had to physically remove women from pubs before and it has been horrible. Been really hurt doing it and it is always worrying how people see you.
If you can point me to the foolproof guide on how to do it I would be grateful.
quimcunx
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i seem to remember you should get one bouncer either side, stick the fingers of a straight rigid hand into their armpits while holding their arms straight down with your other hands, push up into the armpit so they are on tippy toe and frog march them out.
this according to a billy connelly gig.
this according to a billy connelly gig.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
try being the bloke grabbing a women in a club or a pub...
more often than not the situation escalates
Miss-Shelf
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take your point Badgers
I can take children down no problem but only if they're under 5
I can take children down no problem but only if they're under 5
kittyP
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I am certified to train school staff how to safely restrain children/young adults.
It is no easy feat even with regularly updated training.
When I have had to do such techniques out in public, even when being 100% professional and controlled, it looks horrible to other people, the general public.
So it's conceivable that a man trying his best to get a woman out of his pub could look like he was assaulting her.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
take your point Badgers
I can take children down no problem but only if they're under 5
You bully
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I heard that if you tell them there is a designer shoe sale outside, then they go out.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Pub landlords or children?
quimcunx
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i don't think anyone is claiming it's easy. and sometimes there is no right way as the recalcitrant punter is going to be aggressive and out of control, end of, and as badgers said it never looks good when men are having to physically ovepower a reluctant woman.
Perkie has also written a report:
http://perkiethinks.tumblr.com/post/26718746113/recording-brief-explanation-of-what-happend-at-the
Seems pretty close to the incident. No mention of hair pulling or racism, which is odd as she did hear the landlord call her an arsehole and her tell him to fuck off.
http://perkiethinks.tumblr.com/post/26718746113/recording-brief-explanation-of-what-happend-at-the
Seems pretty close to the incident. No mention of hair pulling or racism, which is odd as she did hear the landlord call her an arsehole and her tell him to fuck off.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
only one way to find out
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Seems to be some kind of badger propaganda on that page
quimcunx said:
I recall one happy time. Early evening and a (white btw) women came in the pub really drunk swigging from a bottle of brandy. I was working alone (sadly no women bar staff or bouncers to help me) and refused to serve her. She sat down with her brandy and started abusing the customers. I went and asked her to leave in a nice but firm way. After some happy debate she hit me in the face with bottle (which luckily did not break) and started kicking at me. I feel bad saying this but I used a single leg takedown to put her on her back, dragged her then locked the door. She threw the brandy bottle through the window. Bless.
quimcunx
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Aww. that's a cute story. I never knew that's how you and kitty met.
quimcunx
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she sounds delightful.
Srs. I'm behind you all the way. women shouldn't get a get out of jail free card when being abusive/aggressive.
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