Rushy
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You don't understand. He is being objective...
The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig
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5t3IIa
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Yeah, but they didn't kick you up the arse and call you a fat cunt, did they? I mean - it didn't happen and this did.
I'm confused by the urbans reaction to this tbh
a bigoted woman
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i guess whether you're calling someone a so and so to someone's face vs not. just because both are deplorable doesn't mean there's not a difference. rape and murder are different.
Orang Utan
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I beg your pardon?
5t3IIa
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True. I'm exhausted tbh.
How am I justifying theft? She brought it with her own money. She personally would not have brought a whole bottle of Vodka from the venue for her own consumption so they lost around £4/5/6 quid of potential drinks. Make up any figure which you think fits.
Everyone wouldn't choose to behave like that because we have established norms and customs for those types of situations you are just playing devils advocate. I am sure most people on this forum have previously sneaked something they know they haven't into a music venue // bar // club especially when they are young and poor, I bloody well know I have, and they still buy plenty of drinks on other occasions or even on the same occasion.
Taking outsider drinks from people in a professional manner without resorting to nearly pulling someones hair out should be a skill which you gain through owning a pub // music venue over many years and dealing with difficult people which he must have to do weekly.
5t3IIa
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colacubes
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Yeah, but they didn't kick you up the arse and call you a fat cunt, did they? I mean - it didn't happen and this did.
I'm confused by the urbans reaction to this tbh
Eh? You realise we're talking about a different thing to the one in the OP?
5t3IIa
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i think it's because calls on twitter etc for a boycott, and throwing around accusations of racism, could have an actual real life effect on the venue, people's jobs etc.I'm confused by the urbans reaction to this tbh
The band didn't get paid anyway. Bands get paid by promoters who get money from door sales. They didn't steal anything. She wouldn't have brought that much booze.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Did you present this wisdom to Seamus on the night?
I'm not going to comment on the merits of the case; sounds like the booze was mainly responsible - it usually is. People in their cups say and do things that are bang out of order.
But - call me old-fashioned - I really don't think it's ever ok to smuggle booze into venues. Yes, bar prices are higher than supermarket prices. No, it's not a rip-off. The venue has staff and much higher overheads than a supermarket. Some of them even pay the bands from the extra takings (the hootahob does; I'm not sure about the Windmill), but even if they don't actually pay the musicians they contribute the backline and the desk, perhaps the sound guy. The deal is you get the gig and the exposure - worth a lot in the Windmill - your following buys beer. It's much less about the price of one or two drinks than about the whole principle of the thing, and if I were a pub landlord I'd be very touchy about it. Unfortunately it's not just preloading; I'm afraid it's now quite common for people to pack a hipflask rather than pay bar prices, and it's not right.
I suppose it's just the young people aping the ethics of the bankers; doesn't make it right though.
But - call me old-fashioned - I really don't think it's ever ok to smuggle booze into venues. Yes, bar prices are higher than supermarket prices. No, it's not a rip-off. The venue has staff and much higher overheads than a supermarket. Some of them even pay the bands from the extra takings (the hootahob does; I'm not sure about the Windmill), but even if they don't actually pay the musicians they contribute the backline and the desk, perhaps the sound guy. The deal is you get the gig and the exposure - worth a lot in the Windmill - your following buys beer. It's much less about the price of one or two drinks than about the whole principle of the thing, and if I were a pub landlord I'd be very touchy about it. Unfortunately it's not just preloading; I'm afraid it's now quite common for people to pack a hipflask rather than pay bar prices, and it's not right.
I suppose it's just the young people aping the ethics of the bankers; doesn't make it right though.
I don't really think rational thinking is my job. Nor is it my job to tell someone who I have no association with about something I have no association with.
All I told him was that because he attacked a woman I was not going to go to his venue or buy drinks from him again. His reaction was to man-handle me and attempt to punch me. Charmer. Fully justified though right guys?
so the racism bit: did it happen?
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
No, no, no, that isn't how it works. You get to use the pub and its facilities on the understanding you buy drinks from them. If you circumvent this process by taking in your own booze you've basically got your hand in the till. It doesn't matter how much she would have drank if she did buy drinks from the bar (anyone can make retrospective claims like this) it matters how much she did drink that wasn't going into the licencee's coffers. And to add insult to injury she'd just been paid for her work there. Hypocrisy or what?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
FFS. Bands get paid by promoters who take money on the door and get the venue for free (or for a small fee) in return for attracting people there to ... buy drinks!
snowy_again
Slush
It also causes the landlord trouble if he's caught with people drinking off license sales on his on license premises.
So what seemed to be some larks for the singer could cause him to lose his license, as well as lose income.
So what seemed to be some larks for the singer could cause him to lose his license, as well as lose income.
Which I did. Never again though.
a bigoted woman
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oh i was trying to spark a philosophical debate about whether it is racial abuse if i described somebody to someone else (e.g. a police) as "that ****", or is it only abuse if I was saying that to someone "like omg you are a ****" it's racist, in both cases, obv. but is there a difference in using bigoted vocabulary and direct verbal attack (what I imagine as "racial abuse")?
But now i think it would a pretty boring debate, sorry.
Orang Utan
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It's racist behaviour regardless of who is meant to hear it
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
Not understanding how this stuff works is why the music scene goes through such bad periods sometimes.
What, a couple of cokes with ice to mix with the vodka?
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