The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig

[Citizen66]

Can I just add that screen grabbing a twitter comment means there can't be accusations of things being taken out of context?

Don't know why people think it's 'weird'. If you feel uncomfortable about it then why have your face on your twitter profile?

 

[a bigoted woman]

if you act the fool then occasionally you get comeback. if you want to act the fool but never get any comeback then you will have to boycott EVERYWHERE that there are people.

that's why we have internet forums!

 

[RaverDrew]

I think the moral of this story is that if you want to smuggle vodka into a venue, don't start brazenly drinking it on stage. Also, don't tell the landlord to "Fuck off" and start throwing punches at him when he pulls you up for it.

 

[Badgers]

http://silentpunk.tumblr.com/post/26551193275/i-know-it-should-be-the-least-of-my-concerns

This one implies he ripped her hair out AND punched her which is a new twist. No mention of her swinging for him either so guess a couple of people who saw that were lying?

 

[spanglechick]

I go to a fair few pubs where I can imagine violence being meted out to someone being obnoxious. I wouldn't boycott them, because Im not an obnoxious drunk myself. No really.

The racist comment is more of a worry to me.

 

[paolo]

in other words if you're a person who expect not to be assaulted by the staff/owner of a pub, it's probably quite reasonable that you would now want to boycott such an establishment.

Thing is, there's no history of this kind of thing at the Windmill. Whereas there are comments about trouble surrounding Nadia's gigs.

I know which of the two I'd avoid, to steer clear of brawls.

 

[a bigoted woman]

just a kind of bigoted man.

xpost

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Thing is, there's no history of this kind of thing at the Windmill. Whereas there are comments about trouble surrounding Nadia's gigs.

I know which of the two I'd avoid, to steer clear of brawls.

How do you know you just haven't heard of this kind of thing happening? How regular are you?

 

[RaverDrew]

I go to a fair few pubs where I can imagine violence being meted out to someone being obnoxious. I wouldn't boycott them, because Im not an obnoxious drunk myself. No really.

The racist comment is more of a worry to me.

A racist comment, that miraculously nobody but the police heard.

 

[quimcunx]

Sad stuff, whether it did or didn't happen exactly as reported: I'd hate to see a terminal decline for a venue that has been great for a lot of people, bands, djs (and prod).

I wasn't there, I thInk racist terminology is incredibly shit, and I think rows should not lead to this kind of reported violence (slaps, hair pulling etc). If I've been taught restraint techniques as a teacher, I'd've thought they'd be high on the essentials list for a Brixton publican.

What does interest me, though, is that this has become an issue of gender politics. Yes, twatting someone (or hair pulling) is very much the wrong thing to do, but I don't buy that - if someone gets into a situation where someone is going to twat them, that it's automatically further beyond the pale if it's a woman. Being hit in a fight in with a landlord is not domestic violence - DV needs special treatment because of the contexts of emotional abuse, isolation etc.

Why is hitting a woman worse than hitting a smaller bloke? (Should pub fighters be taken for a weigh-in and full medical to check the opponents were evenly matched?) Why would I imagine I have the right to go round making a shithead of myself without fear of the physical repercussions I might predict would befall a bloke?

Agreed. Assault is assault whatever the gender of the victim and whatever the gender of the attacker. Drunken arsehole behaviour is drunken arsehole behaviour regardless of gender. Forceful eviction from a pub of an out of order punter is forceful eviction whatever the gender of the punter. Whether this event was a forceful eviction or assault I don't know.

That said, at best, it doesn't seem like the landlord handled it at all well in any of the accounts presented. He's supposed to be the one in control.

 

[rutabowa]

I go to a fair few pubs where I can imagine violence being meted out to someone being obnoxious. I wouldn't boycott them, because Im not an obnoxious drunk myself. No really.

The racist comment is more of a worry to me.

it would be to me too, but i don't currently believe that happened.

 

[RadRadRad]

Just to be quite clear this isn't the first time the Windmill has got in trouble because of Seamus. Both Allo' Darlin, now playing the KCLU in September and sell out most of their shows, have boycotted the venue due to an incident with him. There are also reports that MJ Hibbett, also known to indiepop fans, has a similar boycott towards to venue for reasons which I cannot claim to know.

Furthermore, TO REPEAT MYSELF ONCE AGAIN Nadia's history, again if you want to claim she had it coming (which I wouldn't), doesn't really matter when you consider Seamus lashed out at other people who have no association with herself or her band or violence.

 

[quimcunx]

Can I just add that screen grabbing a twitter comment means there can't be accusations of things being taken out of context?

Don't know why people think it's 'weird'. If you feel uncomfortable about it then why have your face on your twitter profile?

Well there can because one tweet can be part of a much larger conversation.

 

[Badgers]

I think the moral of this story is that if you want to smuggle vodka into a venue, don't start brazenly drinking it on stage. Also, don't tell the landlord to "Fuck off" and start throwing punches at him when he pulls you up for it.

What do you know about rowing with landlords and being thrown out of pubs?

 

[paolo]

How do you know you just haven't heard of this kind of thing happening? How regular are you?

Fair comment, I should have added "that I'm aware of".

(On average I go once a month, however I would expect we'd already know if Seamus was dishing out thumpings. Happy to be corrected on that.)

 

[RaverDrew]

What do you know about rowing with landlords and being thrown out of pubs?

 

[Badgers]

Just to be quite clear this isn't the first time the Windmill has got in trouble because of Seamus. Both Allo' Darlin, now playing the KCLU in September and sell out most of their shows, have boycotted the venue due to an incident with him. There are also reports that MJ Hibbett, also known to indiepop fans, has a similar boycott towards to venue for reasons which I cannot claim to know.

Furthermore, TO REPEAT MYSELF ONCE AGAIN Nadia's history, again if you want to claim she had it coming (which I wouldn't), doesn't really matter when you consider Seamus lashed out at other people who have no association with herself or her band or violence.

What did the police say before? Not doubting, just asking.

 

[spanglechick]

Agreed. Assault is assault whatever the gender of the victim and whatever the gender of the attacker. Drunken arsehole behaviour is drunken arsehole behaviour regardless of gender. Forceful eviction from a pub of an out of order punter is forceful eviction whatever the gender of the punter. Whether it was a forceful eviction or assault I don't know.

That said, at best, it doesn't seem like the landlord handled it at all well in any of the accounts here. He's supposed to be the one in control.

Oh totally. Nadia did not deserve to be treated with disproportionate force, because that's not how landlords should behave. Just saying that she, or I, or any other woman has no MORE right to expect appropriate treatment than the next person, even if the next person is a bloke.

 

[colacubes]

Just to be quite clear this isn't the first time the Windmill has got in trouble because of Seamus. Both Allo' Darlin, now playing the KCLU in September and sell out most of their shows, have boycotted the venue due to an incident with him. There are also reports that MJ Hibbett, also known to indiepop fans, has a similar boycott towards to venue for reasons which I cannot claim to know.

Furthermore, TO REPEAT MYSELF ONCE AGAIN Nadia's history, again if you want to claim she had it coming (which I wouldn't), doesn't really matter when you consider Seamus lashed out at other people who have no association with herself or her band or violence.

Just to say in relation to my bold, I do know there was an incident that meant that they told all their fans to go elsewhere (as we ended up with a very busy Offline). I have no idea what the incident was though.

 

[RadRadRad]

What did the police say before? Not doubting, just asking.

They weren't called to the previous incident from what I know, I'm just going from what others have said. it was an angry spat and attempted intimidation.

 

[a bigoted woman]

however I would expect we'd already know if Seamus was dishing out thumpings. Happy to be corrected on that.)

I know that the roof dog has dished out a thumping once on a band

 

[Citizen66]

Well there can because one tweet can be part of a much larger conversation.

I meant edited rather than context.

 

[Badgers]

They weren't called to the previous incident from what I know, I'm just going from what others have said. it was an angry spat and attempted intimidation.

I see

 

[Kanda]

I'm just going from what others have said

Ah, hearsay. Can always rely on it.

 

[Rushy]

I know that the roof dog has dished out a thumping once on a band

Roof dog once dribbled straight off the roof and into my pint.

 

[rutabowa]

Just to be quite clear this isn't the first time the Windmill has got in trouble because of Seamus. Both Allo' Darlin, now playing the KCLU in September and sell out most of their shows, have boycotted the venue due to an incident with him. There are also reports that MJ Hibbett, also known to indiepop fans, has a similar boycott towards to venue for reasons which I cannot claim to know.

Furthermore, TO REPEAT MYSELF ONCE AGAIN Nadia's history, again if you want to claim she had it coming (which I wouldn't), doesn't really matter when you consider Seamus lashed out at other people who have no association with herself or her band or violence.

could i find out, is there any person who heard the racist bit first hand?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Roof dog once dribbled straight off the roof and into my pint.

Roof Dog does that with everyone, so don't think you're special.

He accidentally pissed on me one day

 

[RadRadRad]

Ah, hearsay. Can always rely on it.

The band have tweet today about how they refuse to play the venue because of staff behaviour.

CBA to provide context but sure you can work it out -
Allo Darlin' ‏@allodarlinuk
It's horrible. I can't say I'm surprised. That man is vile.

 

[el-ahrairah]

could i find out, is there any person who heard the racist bit first hand?

apparently only the band, their friends, and the police heard.

no reliable witnesses at all.

 

[Kanda]

The band have tweet today about how they refuse to play the venue because of staff behaviour.
.

I wasn't defending anyone, just pointing something out.