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The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig
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Minnie_the_Minx
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This is like something out of the revamped version of the Archers.
From the http://animatedboyoftheshelf.tumblr.com/ account of events, it seems Seamus confronted the singer after she'd spent time on the stage drinking and passing around her smuggled vodka to the audience. An argument then ensued and she was kicked out.
It flared up again outside and the situation wasn't handled that well, but the row continues & the singer slapped Seamus. Police called, accusations of assault and racist comments and a whole heap of social media action raising the online profile of a band i've never heard of and one of who seems to be a bit fitey gets raised.
From the http://animatedboyoftheshelf.tumblr.com/ account of events, it seems Seamus confronted the singer after she'd spent time on the stage drinking and passing around her smuggled vodka to the audience. An argument then ensued and she was kicked out.
It flared up again outside and the situation wasn't handled that well, but the row continues & the singer slapped Seamus. Police called, accusations of assault and racist comments and a whole heap of social media action raising the online profile of a band i've never heard of and one of who seems to be a bit fitey gets raised.
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one of whom
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actually i'm not sure
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the entirety of that final sentence needs a bit of work I think.
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but then I don't know whether snowy_again is m/f so I will not comment further - don't want to be sexist.
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seems weird that a longstanding pub landlord who had never done it before would choose his first racist insult to be in FRONT OF THE POLICE after it had all died down rather than at any other point in the scuffle. for that reason, and that i haven't seen any first hand report of it, i don't believe that bit to be true at the moment. and if that bit didn't happen then it's just a little scuffle at closing time and noone got hurt so doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
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First stage might have been to tell the booker person to get her out. He seems like a sensible chap.
Minnie_the_Minx
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One of The Tuts has given her side of the story
http://thetuts.tumblr.com/post/26555827192/last-night-at-the-windmill-brixton
http://thetuts.tumblr.com/post/26555827192/last-night-at-the-windmill-brixton
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Sounds nasty. However it does not mention her trying to assault him (before or after he went for her) as alleged by two separate people on here. So that is three separate versions of the start of the incident.
Sad to read this:
Nadia is probably not going to press charges because she doesn’t want the long term hassle
spanglechick
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Sad stuff, whether it did or didn't happen exactly as reported: I'd hate to see a terminal decline for a venue that has been great for a lot of people, bands, djs (and prod).
I wasn't there, I thInk racist terminology is incredibly shit, and I think rows should not lead to this kind of reported violence (slaps, hair pulling etc). If I've been taught restraint techniques as a teacher, I'd've thought they'd be high on the essentials list for a Brixton publican.
What does interest me, though, is that this has become an issue of gender politics. Yes, twatting someone (or hair pulling) is very much the wrong thing to do, but I don't buy that - if someone gets into a situation where someone is going to twat them, that it's automatically further beyond the pale if it's a woman. Being hit in a fight in with a landlord is not domestic violence - DV needs special treatment because of the contexts of emotional abuse, isolation etc.
Why is hitting a woman worse than hitting a smaller bloke? (Should pub fighters be taken for a weigh-in and full medical to check the opponents were evenly matched?) Why would I imagine I have the right to go round making a shithead of myself without fear of the physical repercussions I might predict would befall a bloke?
I wasn't there, I thInk racist terminology is incredibly shit, and I think rows should not lead to this kind of reported violence (slaps, hair pulling etc). If I've been taught restraint techniques as a teacher, I'd've thought they'd be high on the essentials list for a Brixton publican.
What does interest me, though, is that this has become an issue of gender politics. Yes, twatting someone (or hair pulling) is very much the wrong thing to do, but I don't buy that - if someone gets into a situation where someone is going to twat them, that it's automatically further beyond the pale if it's a woman. Being hit in a fight in with a landlord is not domestic violence - DV needs special treatment because of the contexts of emotional abuse, isolation etc.
Why is hitting a woman worse than hitting a smaller bloke? (Should pub fighters be taken for a weigh-in and full medical to check the opponents were evenly matched?) Why would I imagine I have the right to go round making a shithead of myself without fear of the physical repercussions I might predict would befall a bloke?
The FB comments about the threat of violence at her previous gigs would damage her case, and it's possible she knows that.
Besides, most people know that if you're aggressively gobby in pubs, you sometimes get an unpleasant, perhaps disproportionate outcome. One to chalk up to experience and move on.
Besides, most people know that if you're aggressively gobby in pubs, you sometimes get an unpleasant, perhaps disproportionate outcome. One to chalk up to experience and move on.
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well not usually from the proprietor
Minnie_the_Minx
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Well in the absence of doormen...
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in other words if you're a person who expect not to be assaulted by the staff/owner of a pub, it's probably quite reasonable that you would now want to boycott such an establishment.
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on the other hand, if you don't smuggle drinks into pubs and/or aren't an asshole you'll probably be okay in this one!
if you act the fool then occasionally you get comeback. if you want to act the fool but never get any comeback then you will have to boycott EVERYWHERE that there are people.
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