The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig

[Badgers]

I do not see how your secondary data is far more credible than plenty of other people's primary accounts of what happened. Your witness seems to glaze over how Nadia's hair was pulled and how she was chased around the venue. Other accounts have stated how Nadia's behaviour was out of control, if you bothered to read them, but yours appears completely one-sided.

So she did not attempt an assault in anyway? Not that this would excuse what you claim happened but in terms of being 'one-sided' perhaps the full story (if she did attempt assault of course) may helped people understand.

 

[RaverDrew]

FROM FACEBOOK -

Simona Grace Irish​

14 hours ago​

from now on i am never stepping foot in the Brixton Windmill again. Seriously BOYCOTT IT. Old man landlord assaulted lead singer of The Tuts, pulled her hair and about 5 people had to get him off her. He then used RACIST TERMINOLOGY. Police had to be called. Been to some great gigs there in the past but now I can't let my money go to a racist who assaults women.​

Fair enough, I was only going by twitter.

 

[RadRadRad]

He is relaying a first hand account from someone he trusts. Don't take it personally.

I tried not too. My reply was a bit harsh. It is just the poster appears to be proud of his new found claims of a monopoly of truth over the situation when his information is no less valid than ours.

 

[a bigoted woman]

FROM FACEBOOK -

Simona Grace Irish​

​

14 hours ago​

from now on i am never stepping foot in the Brixton Windmill again. Seriously BOYCOTT IT. Old man landlord assaulted lead singer of The Tuts, pulled her hair and about 5 people had to get him off her. He then used RACIST TERMINOLOGY. Police had to be called. Been to some great gigs there in the past but now I can't let my money go to a racist who assaults women.​

not a credible quote without a screenshot with photo

 

[editor]

I can't see any reason to favour one person's account over another, such is the nature of eye witness accounts.

Clearly something happened, and by many accounts it was rather unsavoury, but it seems unreasonable to criticise people posting up first hand reports just because they don't chime with their own experiences.

I don't think anyone is lying, just that people will see the same thing through different eyes from different perspectives.

 

[RaverDrew]

I tried not too. My reply was a bit harsh. It is just the poster appears to be proud of his new found claims of a monopoly of truth over the situation when his information is no less valid than ours.

outstanding

 

[Mrs Magpie]

...I'm bemused by the idea that it's creepy and somehow sexist and wrong to be quoting anyone about this. I'll admit I don't get this twitter thing, but despite the fact I'm old and grey I do know that if you don't want your photo, name, tweets etc all over the ether don't put them there, especially if you're actively trying to publicise something on twitter ie racist assault allegations/boycott. People only know about this because people connected with whatever happened tweeted it all over the twittersphere.

 

[cesare]

I tried not too. My reply was a bit harsh. It is just the poster appears to be proud of his new found claims of a monopoly of truth over the situation when his information is no less valid than ours.

He hasn't claimed a " monopoly of truth".

 

[RadRadRad]

So she did not attempt an assault in anyway? Not that this would excuse what you claim happened but in terms of being 'one-sided' perhaps the full story (if she did attempt assault of course) may helped people understand.

Well if you read my interpretation of the events - animatedboyoftheshelf.tumblr.com - you will see that yes she did but it was only after she was attacked and provoked by Seamus.

Seamus also attacked other people, including myself, Nadia had nothing to do with. This is what I find puzzling whilst Nadia can be used as the scapegoat for some of the events last night, if you really want her to be, that only covers 2/3 of the event that actually happened.

 

[Kanda]

So that was posted at midnight then people tweet about it this morning, when they see it?

 

[a bigoted woman]

He hasn't claimed a " monopoly of truth".

more like trivial pursuit

 

[Dan U]

well that lass has protected her account now.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

So that was posted at midnight then people tweet about it this morning, when they see it?

there were quite a few tweets in the early hours

 

[TrevOddBox]

The promoter says he won't be putting on Windmill gigs again, and that seems pretty significant to me.

The venue has, over night, become a no go area for punters who are likely to go my shows - mainly because of the mini storm over on twitter - some of which was commented on by people that were not at the show. I didn't see what happened, so I can't know who is telling the truth about what happened. I did not hear the 'P' word at all but I was not present when the Police arrived.

I know RadRadRad and I know he would not lie, but there are always two sides to something like this, with the truth probably somewhere between what either party is saying.

 

[editor]

The venue has, over night, become a no go area for punters who are likely to go my shows - mainly because of the mini storm over on twitter - some of which was commented on by people that were not at the show.

That is a shame. Perhaps you could invite them to read this thread and let them make up their own minds from some of the subsequent debate here?

 

[Chilavert]

well that lass has protected her account now.

Lass sounds rather condescending and, dare I say it, sexist.

 

[editor]

I noted that some people reading this thread were coming from Drowned In Sound so took and look.
Blimey, they've been spammed to fuck.

 

[Dan U]

Lass sounds rather condescending and, dare I say it, sexist.

that wasn't my intention and neither was it my intention to use anyone's words in a non consensual fashion, particularly a woman and thereby carrying a greater cultural significance due to her gender

or something

anyway its an actual shame this young person of the female persuasion has felt the need to make her twitter account private

thanks

a bloke

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Anyway, whatever happened I should probably leave this thread now because I stopped going to the Windmill years ago because the Ladies was totally minging and you had to access them via an unlit bit that was full of brooms, mops and buckets. That's probably not the case any more all these years later, and probably not affected in the least by my one-woman boycott of pubs with grim lavs.

 

[Pickman's model]

I noted that some people reading this thread were coming from Drowned In Sound so took and look.
Blimey, they've been spammed to fuck.

I'm disappointed to see lindsay lohan spamming them

 

[a bigoted woman]

Lindsey Lohan!! How one falls from grace.
xpost

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Lass sounds rather condescending and, dare I say it, sexist.

are you joking?

 

[Infinite Jest]

I noted that some people reading this thread were coming from Drowned In Sound so took and look.
Blimey, they've been spammed to fuck.

Oh, that's their festivals board, they never use that anymore. (Some impressive spam though). (I think I was one of the visitors from DiS - STOP SPYING ON ME!!!! )

 

[a bigoted woman]

or is that a step up from using drugs to selling drugs?

 

[Kanda]

In the blog, http://animatedboyoftheshelf.tumblr.com/ your friend is called Perkie??

*tries irish accent and 'fuck off Perkie'* and wonders how it may sound...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Anyway, whatever happened I should probably leave this thread now because I stopped going to the Windmill years ago because the Ladies was totally minging and you had to access them via an unlit bit that was full of brooms, mops and buckets. That's probably not the case any more all these years later, and probably not affected in the least by my one-woman boycott of pubs with grim lavs.

Yeah, but they were better than The Albert's

 

[RaverDrew]

or maybe he was asking her to "pack it in" ?

edit: I know he's said that to me in the past

 

[RadRadRad]

This is like a copy of Pravda from the 50s.

 

[Pickman's model]

I remember years back there was a mass boycott of the auld albion in stokey cos the landlord apparently beat up a punk outside: the albion now gone. I wonder if the reaction against the windmill management over last night's little incident will lead to the same result.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

In the blog, http://animatedboyoftheshelf.tumblr.com/ your friend is called Perkie??

*tries irish accent and 'fuck off Perkie'* and wonders how it may sound...

Ask Colm to say it

You have to remember as well that Seamus is Donegal and therefore to some people (including Irish) has a totally unintelligible accent anyway, but I think I would know the difference between Perkie and Paki if he said it