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Yossarian said:
I think they see Sweden, Norway, etc. as some kind of idealized white homeland, full of blondes worshipping Viking gods, so having darker-skinned immigrants move to these countries is seen as a grave insult to whiteness itself in their insane little subculture.

I hope any pictures of Swedish "war veterans" doing the rounds were commented on by people pointing out that Sweden hasn't fought a war in more than 200 years.
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Well Norway did produce Breivik. Anders is their kinda guy:
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Kaka Tim said:
the american far right seem obsessed about sweden. They were responsible for some flase fb pic that was doing the rounds last year supposedly depicting a swedish "war veteran" who had frozen to death in the street cos refugees had all the houses. Do a lot of american fash have swedish heritage or something?
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I don't know about the fash specifically but the Swedes did settle in America in huge numbers.



I have family in South Carolina, some of whom voted for Trump. One of those has now blocked me on Facebook, but I'm in fairly regular communication with a cousin. In the days following the inauguration he told me he was seeing a significant increase of movement of military vehicles and aircraft. He said that in the past such activity usuallly led to some kind of war strike in the East. He's now saying it looks like they're rounding up illegal immigrants.

I'm not offering this as any kind of proof or evidence of anything, but it is a report from a Trump supporter on the ground.

I know Trump lies, but he said in that rally yesterday that "drug dealers are being thrown out of the country as I speak".
 

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Soon Chinaski and Manny are flush with money, not from working for the $1.25 an hour at the warehouse or even making smart bets themselves, but for taking the money of the other workers and not betting it. That is after all, why those same men handing over their bets work in the factory; they are defined by their bad decisions, by the capacity for always getting a bad deal. Their wages and their bets are both examples of the same thing.

Trump, of course, has made his fortune in a similar manner, with casinos, correspondence courses, and pageants, swindling money out of aspiring-millionaire blue collar workers, selling them not a bill of goods, but the hope of a bill of goods, the glitz and glamour of success, to people who don’t win, or in Trump’s parlance, “don’t win anymore.” As if once, in the mythic past he invented, they did once and soon will again, since at the heart of what he promised was, “you’ll win so much you’ll get sick of winning”. In other words, if we are to understand Trump supporters, we can view them at the core as losers — people who never ever bet on the right horse — Trump, of course, being the signal example, the man obsessed with “losers” who, seemingly was going to be remembered as one of the biggest losers in history — until he won.

The older generation of Trump supporters the press often focuses on, the so called “forgotten white working class”, are in this sense easier to explain since they fit into the schema of a 1950s-style electorate. Like the factory workers in Factotum, the baby boomers were promised pensions and prosperity, but received instead simply the promises. Here the narrative is simple. The workers were promised something and someone (the politicians? the economy? the system itself?) never delivered. Their horse never came in.

This telling of the story ignores the fact that, as Trump often points out, “it was a bad deal”. The real story is not that the promise was never fulfilled. Manny and Hank’s deal with the workers was the same as the factory’s deal with them: the empty promise was the bargain. The real story is not that the horse didn’t come in, it’s that the bet was never placed.
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Long article explores one small alternative niche in US culture that's developed an odd relationship to Trump. Nerds deeply frustrated by a modernity so unlike WoW for whom he's sometimes a howl of excluded despair. Trolling men-children really alienated by progressive gender politics who need to be told “You have to shower once a day” to get laid.

It's easy to forget far more hard working, aspirational Septics who think of themselves as winners voted for Trump. Some with a fair few doubts. It's probably upper decile folk that will finally give him more trouble as he stumbles from fuck up to fuck up always declaring it a march of triumph. That'll take a while. They'll get their big deficit bloating tax break etc and "winners" are often real slow to admit error. Not these Omega-male losers: he's their hopeless and strange President. Just another bad punt in a life of them. Hey and if fucks up some of smugly well adjusted button down types Kraut SUV driving lives in the process that's just gravy.

"Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos." The Big Lebowski
 

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When campaigning for president during 1928, one of Herbert Hoover's promises to help beleaguered farmers had been to increase tariffs of agricultural products. Hoover won, and Republicans maintained comfortable majorities in the House and the Senate during 1928. Hoover then asked Congress for an increase of tariff rates for agricultural goods and a decrease of rates for industrial goods.

The House passed a version of the act in May 1929, increasing tariffs on agricultural and industrial goods alike. The House bill passed on a vote of 264 to 147, with 244 Republicans and 20 Democrats voting in favor of the bill.[8] The Senate debated its bill until March 1930, with many Senators trading votes based on their states' industries. The Senate bill passed on a vote of 44 to 42, with 39 Republicans and 5 Democrats voting in favor of the bill.[8] The conference committee then aligned the two versions, largely by moving to the greater House tariffs.[9] The House passed the conference bill on a vote of 222 to 153, with the support of 208 Republicans and 14 Democrats.[8]
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Threats of retaliation by other countries began long before the bill was enacted into law in June 1930. As it passed the House of Representatives in May 1929, boycotts broke out and foreign governments moved to increase rates against American products, even though rates could be increased or decreased by the Senate or by the conference committee. By September 1929, Hoover's administration had received protest notes from 23 trading partners, but threats of retaliatory actions were ignored.[9]

In May 1930, Canada, the country's most loyal trading partner, retaliated by imposing new tariffs on 16 products that accounted altogether for around 30% of US exports to Canada.[15] Canada later also forged closer economic links with the British Empire via the British Empire Economic Conference of 1932. France and Britain protested and developed new trade partners. Germany developed a system of autarky.

In 1932, with the depression only having worsened for workers and farmers despite Smoot and Hawley's promises of prosperity from a high tariff, the two lost their seats in the elections that year.[16]
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linky.

Trump as Hoover again.

Of course times really were genuinely hard back then.
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Effects of depression in the U.S.:[49]
  • 13 million people became unemployed. In 1932, 34 million people belonged to families with no regular full-time wage earner.[50]
  • Industrial production fell by nearly 45% between 1929 and 1932.
  • Homebuilding dropped by 80% between the years 1929 and 1932.
  • In the 1920s, the banking system in the U.S. was about $50 billion, which was about 50% of GDP.[51]
  • From 1929 to 1932, about 5,000 banks went out of business.
  • By 1933, 11,000 of the US' 25,000 banks had failed.[52]
  • Between 1929 and 1933, U.S. GDP fell around 30%, the stock market lost almost 90% of its value.[53]
  • In 1929, the unemployment rate averaged 3%.[54]
  • In 1933, 25% of all workers and 37% of all nonfarm workers were unemployed.[55]
  • In Cleveland, the unemployment rate was 50%; in Toledo, Ohio, 80%.[50]
  • One Soviet trading corporation in New York averaged 350 applications a day from Americans seeking jobs in the Soviet Union.[56]
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My bold, yes that bad, and consider the early 30s weren't a picnic in the USSR either with several million people dying in famines. I do notice few fans of Putin's strongman ways are in a rush to enjoy even the current much improved Russian lifestyle choices.[/QUOTE]
 
Batshit....

“I think, somehow, the Lord’s plan is being put in place for America and these people are not only revolting against Trump, they’re revolting against what God’s plan is for America. These other people have been trying to destroy America. These left-wingers and so-called progressives are trying to destroy the country that we love and take away the freedoms they love. They want collectivism. They want socialism. What we’re looking at is free markets and freedom from this terrible, overarching bureaucracy. They want to fight as much as they can but I think the good news is the Bible says, “He that sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn,” and I think that Trump’s someone on his side that is a lot more powerful than the media.”
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Rutita1 said:
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Sounds Batshit from here, but it reflects the mainstream view amongst fundamentalist Christians in the "heartland." Frankly, you will never get through to these people with facts or evidence. If their leaders (whether wealthy televangelists like this jerk, or Brother Jones in the pulpit) tell them the sky is green and the grass is blue because that's the Lord's plan, they will believe it absolutely. Though technically preachers aren't supposed to tell their congregations how to vote, they do, and they mobilised them to great effect last year.

Trump seems the least likely poster boy for the Lord Jesus Christ you can imagine, but 700 Club, PTL ("Praise the Lord" but nicknamed "Pass the Loot,") and common garden variety "good" Christians are that deluded that they're willing to accept he's the "chosen one." They're happy with his white supremacist, misogynistic, greedy, etc. policies because they share them so are able to "overlook" his "shortcomings." And, they're praying for him night and day, so he'll be redeemed any day now.

Either that, or he'll trigger Armageddon, and that's cool with them, too, because having been saved by the Blood of the Lamb, they'll catch the escalator to heaven while it's eternal firey pit time for everyone else.

They really are a lost cause. My only hope is that when they die, they see the pearly gates, then get shuffled into a hot lift going down as St Peter shakes his head in disgust at them.

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Swedes have been scratching their heads and ridiculing President Donald Trump's remarks that suggested a major incident had happened in the Scandinavian country.

During a rally in Florida on Saturday, Trump said "look what's happening last night in Sweden" as he alluded to past terror attacks in Europe. It wasn't clear what he was referring to and there were no high-profile situations reported in Sweden on Friday night.

Former Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt tweeted , "Sweden? Terror attack? What has he been smoking? Questions abound."

Addressing Trump in an article on Sunday, the Aftonbladet tabloid wrote, "This happened in Sweden Friday night, Mr President," and then listed in English some events that included a man being treated for severe burns, an avalanche warning and police chasing a drunken driver.

One Twitter user said, "After the terrible events #lastnightinSweden, IKEA have sold out of this" and posted a mock Ikea instruction manual on how to build a "Border Wall."

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This is in North Carolina. They deffo want something to kick off, and soon.

Local conservative activists prepare for violent confrontation with Islam

A consortium of tea partiers, patriot groups and other conservative activists gathered in a private dining room at a seafood restaurant in Kernersville on Thursday evening for a presentation on a supposed Muslim plot to conquer the United States.

The 20 or so people who attended the meeting at Captain Tom’s Seafood needed little convincing from presenter Tom Jones, who soldiered through frequent interruptions about supposed Muslim treachery paired with testimonials about preparedness for violent confrontation and even expressions of readiness to kill Muslims.

“Do you have any recommendations as to how we could stop this?” asked Frank del Valle, a Winston-Salem resident whose Facebook page identifies him as a retired federal employee and native of Cuba, near the end of the hourlong presentation. “Because my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out them.”
 
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This is in North Carolina. They deffo want something to kick off, and soon.

Local conservative activists prepare for violent confrontation with Islam

A consortium of tea partiers, patriot groups and other conservative activists gathered in a private dining room at a seafood restaurant in Kernersville on Thursday evening for a presentation on a supposed Muslim plot to conquer the United States.

The 20 or so people who attended the meeting at Captain Tom’s Seafood needed little convincing from presenter Tom Jones, who soldiered through frequent interruptions about supposed Muslim treachery paired with testimonials about preparedness for violent confrontation and even expressions of readiness to kill Muslims.

“Do you have any recommendations as to how we could stop this?” asked Frank del Valle, a Winston-Salem resident whose Facebook page identifies him as a retired federal employee and native of Cuba, near the end of the hourlong presentation. “Because my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out them.”
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One time you could laugh at these nutters, not any more.
 
Watching this now - journalist and specialist on authoritarianism (and Midwesterner) Sarah Kendzior, speaking live in Amsterdam. "On President Trump and the Authoritarian State."
 
Kaka Tim said:
the american far right seem obsessed about sweden. They were responsible for some flase fb pic that was doing the rounds last year supposedly depicting a swedish "war veteran" who had frozen to death in the street cos refugees had all the houses. Do a lot of american fash have swedish heritage or something?
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The American right has constantly used Sweden as an example of the horrors of SOCIALISM that must be avoided. Now it's used as an example of the horrors of letting in refugees.
 
There was a reported gang rape on facebook live last week in Sweden, which has been very shoddily reported by the mainstream media probably for PC reasons but CNN are reporting that Trump may have been referring to a documentary aired on TV, which claimed there was a rape problem and no go areas.

On the other end of the spectrum there is this:

The European country offering returning Isis fighters free housing and benefits

It is true that returning veterans from official armed forces in most european countries get fuck all. Are there not homeless veterans? Well, in Sweden there might be homeless veterans but reurning ISIS fighters won't be feeling the cold.

If anything there are some pretty fucked up ideas in Sweden about the real nature of ISIS.
 
Watching CNN half an hour ago, there was an interview with McCain. the interviewer was going on about Trump setting things in motion to become a dictator and doing "something" to curb the freedom of the press and erode democracy. After five minutes the only evidence of this seemed to be something trump had said on twitter. So, I went and had a look for myself and there was nothing.

It looks like CNN peddle fake news in the hope of getting Trump to tweet about fake news and so this boring farse goes on and on.

Or am I missing something?
 
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