the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[Dan U]

In that case I am confused. I am sure there will now be some people who say: 'No, it is real!' Hm.

HIGNFY themselves have tweeted the transcript is fake.

 

[Pickman's model]

Should we not also do a John Peel OBE thread/discussion ? Folk are seemingly letting John Peel off the
hook because he was cooler than Savile and introduced us all to some fantastic music etc..There seems to
be a bit of a Roman Polanski ting going on with Peel, ie lots of folk defending him because of how "great" he was..
..He was a dodgy geezer by his own admission.

do your own bloody thread then

 

[Pickman's model]

Wasn't he on Clunk Click with Saville?

in 1974

 

[ViolentPanda]

I heard he was into young beavers.

True, but they're an endangered species nowadays, so...

 

[Orang Utan]

What the fuck has Freddie Starr got to do with this thread?

you're not really keeping abreast of things very well

 

[ViolentPanda]

you're not really keeping abreast of things very well

What are you trying to imply by mentioning breasts?

 

[where to]

What the fuck has Freddie Starr got to do with this thread?

Don't you actually read the threads before deleting them?

 

[ChrisD]

I might try ebaying my autograph.

how old were you when he gave it you (the autograph) ?

 

[cesare]

how old were you when he gave it you (the autograph) ?

My Dad got it for me. I was about 11 I think, maybe 12.

 

[editor]

Don't you actually read the threads before deleting them?

Given how the other threads have gone, do you think it's a great idea to start talking about Freddie Starr in this thread?

 

[where to]

Given how the other threads have gone, do you think it's a great idea to start talking about Freddie Starr in this thread?

If you are scared of the consequences of people crossing a certain line that's up to you. But your denial of facts which are now in the public domain is morally wrong.

 

[where to]

C4 News' Paraic O' Brien (ex-BBC London): Freddie Starr has employed a private investigator to investigate woman who alleges abuse.

https://twitter.com/paraicobrien/status/255765755054944256

What a total and utter cunt.

 

[editor]

But your denial of facts which are now in the public domain is morally wrong.

In the "public domain" as in actual proven allegations or chitter chatter and rumours on the web?

What are the facts and proven allegations against Freddie Starr?

I'm actually doing my best to ensure that discussions can take place here.

 

[treelover]

freddie starr's appearance on the news last night was a new high.. appearing alongside his 34 yo wife the 69 year old denied he was attracted to young girls and suggested that as his accuser went to an approved school she shouldn't be believed.

Oh, and F/S is from such an esteemed background, not...

 

[editor]

For the record, I fucking hate Freddie Starr. Dreadful, dreadful man. But I trust people will at least understand why I'm counselling caution here.

 

[treelover]

Should we not also do a John Peel OBE thread/discussion ? Folk are seemingly letting John Peel off the
hook because he was cooler than Savile and introduced us all to some fantastic music etc..There seems to
be a bit of a Roman Polanski ting going on with Peel, ie lots of folk defending him because of how "great" he was..
..He was a dodgy geezer by his own admission.

I vaguely remember the NME in the late seventies every week having a small picture insert of J/P with a naked woman, usually in the bath, not under age though, often baffled as to why it was there...

 

[Jon-of-arc]

i suggested my wife went to her primary schools halloween party dressed as jimmy saville.

went down as well as you might imagine.

Your wifes still in primary school? Even sir jim'll went for older girls than that...

 

[seeformiles]

Someone sent me this (probably posted on an earlier thread - if so, apologies) - seems like Jerry Sadowitz was right on the money 25 years ago:

http://soundcloud.com/agnes-guano/the-case-for-the-prosecution

 

[where to]

In the "public domain" as in actual proven allegations or chitter chatter and rumours on the web?

What are the facts and proven allegations against Freddie Starr?

You questioned the relevance of Starr to this matter. Starr has been unsuccessful in trying to silence the media on the allegations made against him that he was involved in incidents of abuse that also involved Savile. That is factual, cannot be challenged and is highly relevant to any discussion on Savile.

I'm actually doing my best to ensure that discussions can take place here.

Okay, fair enough.

 

[lizzieloo]

If they've rolled away the stone, he might come back to life

I don't want that song in my head

 

[Dan U]

Your wifes still in primary school? Even sir jim'll went for older girls than that...

 

[trashpony]

In the "public domain" as in actual proven allegations or chitter chatter and rumours on the web?

What are the facts and proven allegations against Freddie Starr?

I'm actually doing my best to ensure that discussions can take place here.

He denied he'd met Savile more than twice or appeared on a TV show with him - untrue (proven by footage)
He denied that he'd ever met the woman who is accusing him of assault - as above

Beyond that, no, of course, nothing has been proven - it hasn't gone to court yet.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

In the "public domain" as in actual proven allegations or chitter chatter and rumours on the web?

What are the facts and proven allegations against Freddie Starr?

I'm actually doing my best to ensure that discussions can take place here.

I was so disappointed when I found out that Starr never really ate anyone's hamster. Perhaps the child abuse rumours are also a publicity story created by Max Clifford. If I read that the latter had eaten a hamster I would probably believe it.

 

[articul8]

I don't want that song in my head

great song that

 

[Dandred]

the beeb need to do the inquiry sooner rather than later

I don't trust them to be totally honest, independent inquiry is what is needed.

 

[trashpony]

I don't trust them to be totally honest, independent inquiry is what is needed.

I agree

 

[albionism]

Letting Peel off the hook for...marrying a 15 year-old in a state where it was legal to do so? For claiming to have been given blow-jobs by teenage girls? For dressing up as a schoolgirl?

I mean come on, draw the equivalences between the two, if there are any, but otherwise, you're just insinuating that one DJ was as bad as the other.

by his own admission, he was happy to abuse under age girls. Why do people let him off so easily?

 

[albionism]

because we do not want to believe he was noncy, because we loved him and his radio show.

 

[Mr Moose]

If only they'd been something, an inkling even, that Jimmy Saville was a bit odd.

 

[ViolentPanda]

by his own admission, he was happy to abuse under age girls. Why do people let him off so easily?

I'm not letting him off, I'm asking "where's any abused girl making a complaint, then or now?". Considering that at the time Peel was speaking about, he was living and working in a state where sex with a minor was an automatic jail term if reported, surely if he'd forced his attentions on so many pubescent females there'd be some trace, especially in a litigious culture such as the US has?
I see the smoke, but I'd like to see evidence of the fire too, if that's okay with you. This isn't as cut and dried as Savile, with what currently appear to be several decades of ignored accusations of abuse against him, it's about a bloke who married (legally) a 15 year-old that he thought was older, getting head off of girls who he assumed to be under the age of consent.
That's why I'm not prepared to throw Peel on the same bonfire as Savile yet. If I see evidence that he actually was a predatory paedophile, I'll happily bung him on the bonfire too.