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The solution to the problem is to realise phil doesn't really exist. Another thing we can all agree on I'm sure.
The Rational Proof of God's Existence
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You, phildwyer, are ruining this thread with your endless pomposity. Lay off the completely unnecessary personal shit and lay out your sodding "proof". Put it on the table, axiom by axiom, and let us decide for ourselves. There's no point bleating on about individuals when you have such an important point to make.
If you can't write up your proof in one coherent post, even a long one, without the need to intersperse the "logical" steps with appeals to semantic cleight of hand then you will fail to convince anybody.
Your response to this is that some people need to be chided, and probably to express some kind of outrage at the fact that I have the temerity to make such demands of you. After all, it's pretty outrageous of me to expect to get something so precious without having to work for it.
Unfortunately we got through most of your argument last time this thread was alive, and you're not being any more convincing this time. If the thesis remains compeltely based on the asscription of value then we may not get any further, but I am, stiupidly, intrigued to hear the whole of your argument.
Well Atomic Suplex, it seems that not one single poster has stood up to defend your presence on this thread.
Not even your own mother has had a word to say in your favor. Though to be fair she was quite busy servicing the Harlequins RFC all afternoon.
I confess that this surprises even me. I knew you were widely unpopular on here, but this resounding chorus of disgust directed against you has taken my breath away quite frankly.
Under the circumstances, I cannot imagine that you would possibly wish to stay on this thread, or indeed on Urban75 in general.
Will you now do us the favour of leaving the boards of your own accord, before you are expelled by the popular will?
All in good time my friend.
If you will consult the earlier portion of the thread you will see that I have decided to wait a full twenty-four hours between each stage of my argument. The reason is that I intend to convince everyone, without any exception. And because of this, I must in fairness give all participants the right to make any objections they see fit.
No,no and no.
Corax
Luke 5:16
I'm damn curious though. Has Phil given a summary of the argument so far anywhere?
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Yes yes Phil, hilarious as ever . . . . And yet you ignore the fact that the four posts between mine and yours are all diss posts directed at you.
I gave up after approx 5 pages
(And fast forwarded to the end,(If only), of the thread.)
Go away. You are not welcome on this thread. No-one wants you here. You have miserably failed in your only conceivably useful role as clown and jester.
Why on earth would you want to stay here under these circumstances?
Corax
Luke 5:16
Phil, seeing as you're here...
I'm genuinely curious, but wading through 4 years of posts doesn't seem the most efficient use of my, or anyone's, time.
Any chance of a summary? So far the thread's still on 'value' and (to my eternal shame
) I'm still on your side so far. Help me out?joe_infinity
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this thread is going nowhere, if there was a rational proof of God's existence you would have heard it already from some famous philosopher, not some nameless unpublished poster on U75. If anyone has their hopes up that this thread is going somewhere, you will be sorely disappointed.
i confidently predict that NOBODY will become convinced of God's existence based on what they read on this thread, let's see if im right........
im certainly right so far
No rational proof takes THIS long to explain, St Anselm did it in just 4 steps:
1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought.
2. God may exist in the understanding.
3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding.
4. Therefore, God exists in reality
i confidently predict that NOBODY will become convinced of God's existence based on what they read on this thread, let's see if im right........
im certainly right so farNo rational proof takes THIS long to explain, St Anselm did it in just 4 steps:
1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought.
2. God may exist in the understanding.
3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding.
4. Therefore, God exists in reality
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Don't get your knickers in a twist dear, I was only hanging around to see you answer my very simple question.
The odd thing is that is was such a small and inconsequential point that I thought that you would just answer with a simple "oh yeah, whoops" and move on just like any other sane/rational person would.
It has intrigued me that you cannot simply admit your mistake and move on. Moreover in leu of any adequate response you continually attempt to insult me and my family in an incredibly childish manner that appears in conflict with the teenage sudo-intellectual egomaniac sociology student persona that you generally portray.
How has this simple point touched such a raw nerve for you Phil?
Is this what happens when you know you are wrong?
I think you should see a doctor.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Phil, seeing as you're here...
I'm genuinely curious, but wading through 4 years of posts doesn't seem the most efficient use of my, or anyone's, time.
Any chance of a summary? So far the thread's still on 'value' and (to my eternal shame
Dude, you're obviously paying attention to this thread, and you have a fish on the line (me).
So reel me in yeah?
Answers that involve reading 112 pages of argument, trolling and bitching don't count. Summarise it please.
Disjecta Membra
cashing reality checks but cant even pay atention.
it's inherently oxymoronic. I mean the use of rational in the title obviously points out the impossibility, you can't possibly be rational when the subject is unprovable inless god turns up in spaceship or from another dimension or some such thing.It's bollocks simple as, you can prove that you believe in a god though but thats about it.
I have answered your stupid question. No go and collect your mother from the VD clinic and leave us alone.
I appreciate your curiosity and admire your zeal.
However there can be no summaries on this thread, because as I have clearly stated many times, my aim is to convince everybody, to convince them completely, and to answer all their objections.
Obviously if Atomic Suplex chooses to pester us further that will delay matters. So let us hope he can find sufficient shame to crawl away quietly at last. As soon as he leaves us in peace, things should progress at a fairly smart pace.
I am now going to assume that everyone agrees on my initial point. When a cow is exchanged for a sheep, the value of the cow becomes perceptible in the body of the sheep. But the value has no material existence. It is merely an idea, an image. Thus we see how the world of ideas springs out of the basic human tendency to barter.
The next stage will be to establish that the tendency to barter, to exchange things of one kind for things of another, involves the creation of two distinct ways of looking at things: in terms of quality (what the things are, their essences) and quantity (how many of the things their are, their number).
Is everyone with me thus far? Any objectors have twenty-four hours to raise their voices.
Phil
I have some bed news. God spoke to me and told me that at the time you began your thread he did exist. However as the years passed he got so annoyed with the thread and its pathetic claims to prove this fact, that he has gotten fed up with the human race altogether and decided to commit deicide. As he was at the time (last Wednesday at 11:34) all powerful he could do this. Now however he is deceased. RIP God.
I have some bed news. God spoke to me and told me that at the time you began your thread he did exist. However as the years passed he got so annoyed with the thread and its pathetic claims to prove this fact, that he has gotten fed up with the human race altogether and decided to commit deicide. As he was at the time (last Wednesday at 11:34) all powerful he could do this. Now however he is deceased. RIP God.
More evidence, as if any were needed, of the smug conformism and intellectual cowardice that is atheism. Bitter, joyless sarcasm; psychological pussillanimity; refusal to question accepted belief and, unbelievably, the apparent belief that one is somehow being shocking or radical with this kind of blasphemy.
I swear, if I were not a believer already, the spectacle of such atheists would convert me.
Ah so you are a believer are you Phil? That is not rational proof. You offer false hope to unbelievers through the promise of rational proof but rely yourself on blind belief.
Ach, I'm only joshing with ya. Don't worry about it.
Belief can be rational I believe?
(Carves notch in walking stick.)
When you start carving notches in your walking stick rather than your bedpost, you are too old for this shit.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
swapping cows for sheep?
would I be right in thinking this thread would be a good thread on which to set up my magic bean selling concession?
only top quality magic beans here, well worth a cow any day, beanstalks grow right up to heaven, perfect for those seeking proof of gods existence...
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Er? No you didn't.
Earth to Dwyer.
Ha ha, wow what a front. And what a mature and considered response too ha ha.
No you didn't answer my question. You didn't even remotely attempt to answer it in fact. Not even a joke/crap answer.
You just continually replied with inappropriate insults about my mother.
So you have now switched tactics from ignoring anything that proves you wrong to lying about it.
A bit like when you lied about me complaining to the mods about you (twice) and lied about not mentioning kant, which, though not a big deal but something you seem to want to avoid admitting to for whatever reason (first page of the thread by the way)
I wonder which way you will go next.
Lies or childish insults, or maybe both like your last reply
What on earth is the matter with you?
Can't you see that there are many people here who are actually quite interested in this thread. They would like to see it develop without your incessant obscenities and disruption.
You have been asked to leave politely several times now. I even appealed to the boards as a whole, to see if anyone--just one person--felt that you were capable of contributing anything but illiterate and incoherent ranting.
Nobody did. Not one person.
So I suggest that if you really feel so strongly about being excluded from this thread, you take it up with the Mods. That is what you usually do after all. In the meantime, kindly leave us in peace.
Corax
Luke 5:16
What? Is that still where we are with this? It was that far in on page 18. WTF have you all been doing for the last 100 pages?
invisibleplanet
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*whittles a new arrow*
What? Is that still where we are with this? It was that far in on page 18. WTF have you all been doing for the last 100 pages?
Trying to get rid of Atomic Suplex.
Any ideas?
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