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The Rational Proof of God's Existence

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Poi E said:
Does God exist yet? I've got an afterlife riding on this one.
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And I've got four horsemen riding in the Apocalypse at 6.40* tomorrow at Newmarket!

* Which of course is sexagesimal for 6.66 (or a little beastie)
 
This thread's improved considerably in the last few pages, more derailleurs than a Shimano factory. :)

Does God exist yet? I've got an afterlife riding on this one.
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I wouldn't wager that you'll be going out in a Blaise of glory.
 
My my my how this thread have moved on. Unfortunatley I was busy at the weekend so haven't had chance to refute Phils second set of arguments, no doubt I will have detention for being absent without a note. However, one line from Phil has caught my eye which I think means I don't really need to continue following this thread

"I am determined that every serious reader will be completely convinced by my reasoning"

There's no debating with this sort of closed minded thinking. There is no room for Phils attitude to be modified, and there is the inbuilt assumption that if you are not convinced you are not taking it seriously. Cheerio.
 
Come on eveyone, we might all have had the existance of god proven to us by now, in the language of the common people to boot. Instead you're wasting phil's precious time asking him about sarnies and namesakes.

As you were phil..
 
axon said:
My my my how this thread have moved on. Unfortunatley I was busy at the weekend so haven't had chance to refute Phils second set of arguments, no doubt I will have detention for being absent without a note. However, one line from Phil has caught my eye which I think means I don't really need to continue following this thread

"I am determined that every serious reader will be completely convinced by my reasoning"

There's no debating with this sort of closed minded thinking. There is no room for Phils attitude to be modified, and there is the inbuilt assumption that if you are not convinced you are not taking it seriously. Cheerio.
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You misunderstand. I mean that I will not move on until *you* are satisfied that I have answered your objections. Obviously this doesn't apply to those who only come here to disrupt, since they will pretend not to be convinced even when they really are. But you are not among them, so you have nothing to fear. And since it was the weekend, I grant you amnesty from the 24-hour deadline. I shall deal with your points tomorrow, don't worry.
 
Jo/Joe said:
Come on eveyone, we might all have had the existance of god proven to us by now, in the language of the common people to boot. Instead you're wasting phil's precious time asking him about sarnies and namesakes.

As you were phil..
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The sad truth is, Jo/Joe, that many here are not only determined not to learn themselves, they are determined that *you* should not learn either. The prospect of truth terrifies them. But we find such embittered, twisted figures in every age, and in all societies. The point is not to avoid such people, for that is impossible on earth, but to rise above them.
 
Yeah, lets hear the end of the story grampaaa
I'm hoping its beter than my experience.
I might have to go fishing again....
 
phildwyer said:
The sad truth is, Jo/Joe, that many here are not only determined not to learn themselves, they are determined that *you* should not learn either. The prospect of truth terrifies them. But we find such embittered, twisted figures in every age, and in all societies. The point is not to avoid such people, for that is impossible on earth, but to rise above them.
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Heathens the lot of them, debased animals, unfit for the word of god as mediated through our prophet Phil.

Rumour is circling the townfolk that gurrier and others impatient with your prophecies have began constructing a golden calve.

I must impress on you the seriousness of the matter, if we are to spend any longer in this theological desert the people shall be lost to the word. Make headway and smit these heathens, then deliver us to the holy land.

In serene duty your humble servant
Revol
 
revol68 said:
Heathens the lot of them, debased animals, unfit for the word of god as mediated through our prophet Phil.

Rumour is circling the townfolk that gurrier and others impatient with your prophecies have began constructing a golden calve.

I must impress on you the seriousness of the matter, if we are to spend any longer in this theological desert the people shall be lost to the word. Make headway and smit these heathens, then deliver us to the holy land.

In serene duty your humble servant
Revol
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:D

I think ol' philly is trying to groom people.
 
Well first of all I don’t think you should be limiting the concepts of value and exchange to humans, but this may well be a minor point that has arisen through your speciesm.
And agreeing with Brainaddict earlier, you haven’t established that exchange is the definitive characteristic of human society, you have shown that it is an aspect of human society (which doesn’t preclude it from non-human society).

But in the spirit of Christmas I'm willing to carry on and see where you are going.
 
axon said:
Well first of all I don’t think you should be limiting the concepts of value and exchange to humans, but this may well be a minor point that has arisen through your speciesm.
And agreeing with Brainaddict earlier, you haven’t established that exchange is the definitive characteristic of human society, you have shown that it is an aspect of human society (which doesn’t preclude it from non-human society).

But in the spirit of Christmas I'm willing to carry on and see where you are going.
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I see the angel you're coming from!
 
Look, Phil, there's probably some kind of one-liner you should, or could, post here to get yourself out of this mess - a one-liner that hints at all the various arguments and insights that you've ever had on this matter, a one-liner that in its smartness and neatness would amount to a big "fuck you" to all the scoffers and mockers and trollers and just plain rude people on this thread.


Would you mind awfully posting it? It would save everybody, including yourself, a lot of time.


Ta.


:)
 
phildwyer said:
they will pretend not to be convinced even when they really are
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Tsk. Epistemology and ontology re-takes for you Phil.

Sample question: "Laptop knows that Phil is really convinced of the existence and omnipotence of invisible pink unicorns and the nonexistence of any other supernatural being; in fact the more detailed, the more rigorous and the more convincing Phil's arguments against this belief and against the possibility of him holding it the more securely Laptop knows this. Discuss".
 
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."

"I am but mad north-north-west; when the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw."

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This may be a little late, that without labour there is no piece of land to exchange, as you don't own it (that could even mean just fencing off the piece of land). Didn't Locke say that the only way we appropriate property is through mixing our labour?
 
Surely love and altruism SHOULD be the defining characteristics of a human society? I could see exchange working on an emotional level as a defining characteristic but not commodity exchange.
I`m still perplexed as to how all this relates to the universal conciousness?
 
Over the next few days I will prove that life is but a dream. I shall impart the good news to you in small chunks so that your feeble minds may absorb the truth and your puny questions may be rebuffed. So, to start at the begining, row row row your boat.

Any questions?
 
fractionMan said:
Over the next few days I will prove that life is but a dream. I shall impart the good news to you in small chunks so that your feeble minds may absorb the truth and your puny questions may be rebuffed. So, to start at the begining, row row row your boat.

Any questions?
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Wait, this isn't Nietszche's Reverse-Ontological Death Hypothesis you're leading up to is it?
I refer you to Heidegger - who you clearly have no grasp of whatsoever.
 
Brainaddict said:
Wait, this isn't Nietszche's Reverse-Ontological Death Hypothesis you're leading up to is it?
I refer you to Heidegger - who you clearly have no grasp of whatsoever.
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It is clear to me that you have read, understood and agreed with everything I have postulated so far. You are simply unaware of this fact. On further reflection I think you'll realise that your assumption is unsound and that relevance aside, it is you who has a tenuous grasp of Heidegger.
 
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