The Rational Proof of God's Existence

[phildwyer]

This is where you've been going for 500 fucking posts?

No, this is where I was 300 posts *ago,* as you'd know if you'd read the thread instead of just popping your head over the parapet and getting it blasted off once in a while. And I also appended an addendum warning that I was *not* going to argue that financial value is God, for that would be a very silly argument indeed. Now just SHUT UP you deeply annoying man, and pay attention from here on in. I'm going to bash Gurrier for a while to let off some steam.

 

[gurrier]

*wags finger*

Ah! but you don't need proof for logic!
However, logic is something sorely lacking so far.

But you do need logic for proof!

 

[Brainaddict]

you deeply annoying man

*feels all proud and warm inside*

 

[gurrier]

Let me get this straight, money is God?

More precisely, the EURO is clearly the one true divinity. The cult of sterling is a heresy.

HEATHEN!

 

[phildwyer]

Let me get this straight, money is God?

Doomsy, I specifically said that financial value is not God when I first posted this yonks ago. Moreover, financial value is not money, and money is not God either. What nonsense, how could it be?

 

[Doomsy]

So, if the 'Spirit of financial value' isn't God, what is it?

 

[phildwyer]

So, if the 'Spirit of financial value' isn't God, what is it?

Exactly! This is the next question we will discuss. I'm assuming that financial value is either a "spirit" or an "idea," and we will consider the relative merits of these appellations. First though, I must chastize Gurrier for his latest absurdities. I may be some time.

 

[revol68]

im sorry but only a fucking child thinks money has to be in cash. Your once again using trivial points to try and claim some sort of profoundness.

Also if you think "finance" is a spirit, would you accept that it is a spirit that we create and recreate through our alienated activity, and if this is the case then surely "god" as a spirit is just something we create from our own alienation.

FFS this is marxism 101 you pretentious muppet!

 

[nino_savatte]

Originally Posted by phildwyer
NINOSAVATTE: I am afraid that the time has come for you to leave this thread. You have openly boasted that your only purpose here is to disrupt and derail. Even BRAINADDICT, even GURRIER, have occasionally managed to contribute something of worth to the discussion, but you have done (and apparently intend to do) nothing but inflict your dour, humorless, deadly dull jibes on us at regular intervals. And your French is painfully atrocious. You are utterly lacking in joie de vivre, jeu d’esprit and je ne sais quois. Your effervescent wit keeps me amused all day—I *don’t* think. Be off with you.

God speaks....or is that how you see yourself? Of course it is: ego the size of a small country...indeed.

Where have "openly boasted that your [my] only purpose here is to disrupt and derail"? I think you made that up, like you've made up much of what you've posted here.

Btw your French isn't any better. When was the last time a French person used the word "plume" for pen? Besides I have an excuse if my French is "bad", I've only been learning the language for 4 months. What's your excuse? You're a bully pure and simple.

And the way you sign off with "I *don’t* think" isn't funny, clever or witty. It is also a misuse of the asterisk. Did you say you were a postgraduate?

You are nothing but a peddlar of stierscheiβe. How's your German, shit-for-brains?

 

[Crispy]

Please - the word spirit implies an entity with some sort of self-determination. I really am taking you (even) less seriously now.

 

[Fruitloop]

'Financial value' (if you insist on calling it that) was always a type of measurement applied to objects that are available for exchange in a market system. The phenomenon of the gold standard comes about not because financial value was thought to somehow reside in gold, but because gold was a commodity of relatively stable scarcity that was capable of acting as a guarantee of the durability of the value of currency - the threat of the redemption of paper money for gold prevented issuers from devaluing their own currency by putting too much of it in circulation. In modern economic systems the disincentives associated with inflation are sufficiently well understood to make such a guarantee unnecessary.

The change from a barter economy to a monetary one implies precise quantification of values - it's not possible to imagine value in a monetary economy except in discrete, impersonal mathematical units, whatever these happen to be; financial value is always already numeric quantities of money. The numeric value of money is what has always been important, not the presence of physical money - it's self-evident that an IOU written on a scrap of paper is 'worth' as much to the bearer (and provokes equal annoyance when lost) as the same denomination in real money. The computerisation of this is just an inevitable extension of a process which has been going on for some time - didn't the Knights Templar make most of there money by allowing travellers to the Holy Land to pay in money or gold in their country of origin, in exchange for bonds that could be recouped for hard currency on arrival?

Financial value on its own has no compulsive force - it requires (and reflects) power relationships between social agents, and ceases to have any meaning when the supporting institutions of civil society no longer function. Money represents the mathematical abstraction of a certain kind of social relationship, but is itself no more important that ideology, which limits the actions of capital to varying degrees in different societies.

 

[In Bloom]

Exactly! This is the next question we will discuss. I'm assuming that financial value is either a "spirit" or an "idea," and we will consider the relative merits of these appellations. First though, I must chastize Gurrier for his latest absurdities. I may be some time.

You're reifying again phil.

 

[bugsy7]

Hah! Found it!
Phil, if you want to read up on your wacky theory, it's in a book with the titel "Die Auserkorenen des Herren" (The Chosen Ones of the Lord) by Joachim Staedler and Pinkas Bredemeier, published in 1804.
Very interesting reading, nur musst du Deutsch können.

MsG

Here it is again, Phil. You're just plagiarising something that's been around for almost 200 years and presenting it as your own. Have you no shame? However, the original presentation is much better than yours.

Hier ist es abermals, Phil. Das ist lediglich ein Plagiat einer alten These, die seit 200 Jahren existiert, und die du als deine eigene vorgibst. Schämst du dich nicht? Die ursprüngiche Behandlung ist jedoch viel besser als deine.

MsG

 

[exosculate]

Here it is again, Phil. You're just plagiarising something that's been around for almost 200 years and presenting it as your own. Have you no shame? However, the original presentation is much better than yours.

Hier ist es abermals, Phil. Das ist lediglich ein Plagiat einer alten These, die seit 200 Jahren existiert, und die du als deine eigene vorgibst. Schämst du dich nicht? Die ursprüngiche Behandlung ist jedoch viel besser als deine.

MsG

hehehe

 

[redsquirrel]

I think this thread is even better than the 100+ monster about Bolshevism. Definately in need of archiving.

 

[kyser_soze]

This is going to be the next stage of my argument, actually. What would you call it? An idea?

No, I'd call it a meme

 

[phildwyer]

No, I'd call it a meme

Actually you might be right--but not in the way you think you are. I'll take it under consideration...

 

[Doomsy]

Phil, is this going to be sorted by Friday? I'm going on holiday, and won't have net access for a week and a half.

I intend to spend the break working on my next major thesis, "The Scientific Proof of God's Nonexistance", which may pique your interest.

 

[Brainaddict]

is this going to be sorted by Friday?

Hell yeah, we'll definitely have a god by Friday!

Here's an idea to speed things up phil: instead of directing your arguments at the *least* intelligent of us, direct them at the people who have attained your own lofty heights of intellectual achievement. Presumably it will then take about five minutes.

And oddly enough, you may find a larger number of people than you hitherto suspected capable of following your arguments...

 

[goldenecitrone]

Phil, is this going to be sorted by Friday?

Who will prove that Robinson Crusoe is the big white God of the island?

 

[Doomsy]

If he can't sort it, nobody can...

 

[Jo/Joe]

Phil, is this going to be sorted by Friday? I'm going on holiday, and won't have net access for a week and a half.

You'll be fine mate, we'll still be here.

 

[exosculate]

Who will prove that Robinson Crusoe is the big white God of the island?

 

[Pickman's model]

ever get the feeling
you've been cheated?​

 

[Dubversion]

And oddly enough, you may find a larger number of people than you hitherto suspected capable of following your arguments...

he has an argument?

 

[exosculate]

he has an argument?

He meant sacraments!

 

[Brainaddict]

He meant sacraments!

yep, that was what I meant. d'oh!

 

[Pickman's model]

i've given this thread the best part of 600 threads, and i have seen NOTHING to make me think that phildwyer was on anything else but a big WIND UP!

 

[Loki]

Come on, someone bagsie the 600th post with something witty and incisive.

 

[Pickman's model]

bollocks!