The Oscars

[8ball]

Acting awards are divided by gender because even now, the majority of lead roles in Hollywood films are written for male actors. And the majority of supporting roles. And the majority of incidental roles. And the majority of fucking extras in crowd scenes.

I'm at a film festival (which I've been involved in organising) this weekend. Doesn't seem that heavily skewed in the films I've reviewed for it, but this ain't mass market stuff. Might make some notes to see if I've just not noticed due to some degree of unconscious bias, though...

 

[spanglechick]

I'm at a film festival (which I've been involved in organising) this weekend. Doesn't seem that heavily skewed in the films I've reviewed for it, but this ain't mass market stuff. Might make some notes to see if I've just not noticed due to some degree of unconscious bias, though...

Have a look at the Geena Davis Institute's research.

 

[8ball]

Have a look at the Geena Davis Institute's research.

Since the films I've been watching were made recently by aspiring film makers, I doubt the GDI will have collected much data on them.

 

[Sue]

I'm at a film festival (which I've been involved in organising) this weekend. Doesn't seem that heavily skewed in the films I've reviewed for it, but this ain't mass market stuff. Might make some notes to see if I've just not noticed due to some degree of unconscious bias, though...

Might also be interesting to keep the Bechdel test in mind...

 

[spanglechick]

Can't figure out how to embed twitter pist on phone, but this infographic sheds clear light on the male vs female roles issue. These are all best picture winners.






'How much women get to speak in films' is the most shocking stat you'll read this week

 

[Maltin]

Can't figure out how to embed twitter pist on phone, but this infographic sheds clear light on the male vs female roles issue. These are all best picture winners.






'How much women get to speak in films' is the most shocking stat you'll read this week

Seems a little ironic that the only one directed by a woman has apparently hardly any women speaking.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Perhaps some of you can help Owen to know what to think…

 

[tonysingh]

Perhaps some of you can help Owen to know what to think…

Assuming it wasn't a scripted event then I think fair enough like. Everyone has a snapping point. Or are those in the film industry supposed to be emotionless robots?

 

[Numbers]

200+lb 6+ft man slap you the way he slapped Rock and you not knowing it's coming, you'd not only flinch you'd go flying.

 

[Petcha]

I assume Chris Rock didn't know about the alopecia. But regardless, no Will Smith, just no. You're a role model. And clearly a fucking dick. True life violence when impressionable kids are watching, no.

Oh and his portrayal of Richard Williams was ok, not better than Camberbatch though, quite clearly. And the movie (which he executive produced) was completely inaccurate. It skipped out all the bad shit that son of a bitch did and exaggerated his genius.

 

[tonysingh]

What's that on Chris Rocks face?

Fresh Prints.

 

[Ted Striker]

 

[bluescreen]

Perhaps some of you can help Owen to know what to think…

I was all ready to laugh at OJ but it's an informative thread. It raises many issues, including whether a theatrical slap is violent violence, whether white people's quickness to condemn is a function of racism, and whether alopecia is a disability - with other disabled people arguing that it is (I'd thought of it as disfigurement when it happens to women, so more difficult to deal with than male baldness, but maybe I need to think again about the disabling effects of emotional distress?) and the extent to which wealth protects people like Will Smith and his wife from racism. And more...

 

[Ranbay]

Keeping memer's in work.... that's for sure.

 

[DotCommunist]

Funniest thing Will Smiths done since Hancock imo

 

[hegley]

I assume Chris Rock didn't know about the alopecia.

She's been public about her alopecia - it seems very unlikely he didn't know.

Having lost all my hair because of chemo last year, as much as I think Will Smith is wrong to have slapped him, I can't say I feel wildly sympathetic towards Chris Rock.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I was all ready to laugh at OJ but it's an informative thread. It raises many issues, including whether a theatrical slap is violent violence, whether white people's quickness to condemn is a function of racism, and whether alopecia is a disability - with other disabled people arguing that it is (I'd thought of it as disfigurement when it happens to women, so more difficult to deal with than male baldness, but maybe I need to think again about the disabling effects of emotional distress?) and the extent to which wealth protects people like Will Smith and his wife from racism. And more...

Aye, tbh, while I get that "what is the correct take" can come across as "tell me what to think" or "tell me how to be popular", personally I also feel like it should be ok, possibly even encouraged, to say "look, I'm not sure how to feel about this, what do you guys think?" as a way to explore an issue and learn from other perspectives and POVs.

But, then, that might be because it's how I feel about a lot of situations, including this one (which I really haven't 'explored' all that much, tbh, in terms of either watching the incident or seeking out nuanced commentary).

 

[Petcha]

Ricky Gervais goes far further usually in his Golden Globes monologues and as far as I know has escaped bitchy slaps on stage. It's part of the job. You earn $20m a movie or whatever, you get roasted at awards ceremonies.

Anyway, Will Smith's career will be in tatters for a while but he'll come back. Even Mel Gibson managed to. I doubt he'll be voicing Aladdin etc any time soon though.

 

[Sue]

I'm sorry for Jada Pinkett Smith, having alopecia must be really hard. But this just feels like yet another take on men 'defending' their womenfolk using violence. Which is so fucking old and tedious and shit. If that were me, I'd be utterly fucked off at him. (By 'him' I mean Will Smith though I guess I'd be pretty fucked off at Chris Rock too.)

(Also interesting that initially he laughs along, then he sees his wife rolling her eyes and looking pissed off and it's only then that he heads for the stage.)

 

[smmudge]

Mainly I think, does it need to take up so much news ffs? This is making wfh very boring.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I'm sorry for Jada Pinkett Smith, having alopecia must be really hard. But this just feels like yet another take on men 'defending' their womenfolk using violence. Which is so fucking old and tedious and shit. If that were me, I'd be utterly fucked off at him. (By 'him' I mean Will Smith though I guess I'd be pretty fucked off at Chris Rock too.)

(Also interesting that initially he laughs along, then he sees his wife rolling her eyes and looking pissed off and it's only then that he heads for the stage.)

Exactly this

 

[Ax^]

I assume Chris Rock didn't know about the alopecia. But regardless, no Will Smith, just no. You're a role model. And clearly a fucking dick. True life violence when impressionable kids are watching, no.

Oh and his portrayal of Richard Williams was ok, not better than Camberbatch though, quite clearly. And the movie (which he executive produced) was completely inaccurate. It skipped out all the bad shit that son of a bitch did and exaggerated his genius.

oh come on , no kids watch the Oscars

and publicly stunt so screw it no one watched or cared about the Oscars last year so drama in this year's

now seeming as Smith trained for the Ali movie if it was real he would of knocked him on his are and not slapped him

 

[Lord Camomile]

oh come on kids watch the Oscars

and publicly stunt so screw it no one watched or cared about the Oscars last year so drama in this year's

now seeming as Smith trained for the Ali movie if it was real he would of knocked him on his are and not slapped him

Assuming he wanted to do that, surely? Seen plenty of situations where someone has slapped another person to 'make a point' rather than actually cause serious physical damage.

 

[belboid]

oh come on kids watch the Oscars

Kids haven’t watched the Oscar’s for at least twenty years

 

[girasol]

I was all ready to laugh at OJ but it's an informative thread. It raises many issues, including whether a theatrical slap is violent violence, whether white people's quickness to condemn is a function of racism, and whether alopecia is a disability - with other disabled people arguing that it is (I'd thought of it as disfigurement when it happens to women, so more difficult to deal with than male baldness, but maybe I need to think again about the disabling effects of emotional distress?) and the extent to which wealth protects people like Will Smith and his wife from racism. And more...

Yeah, there's A LOT to unpack... I don't agree with violence, but I also don't agree with laughing at people's conditions, but also famous people should be able to take a joke, but also no one should have to put up with this shit, and maybe Will Smith (who initially laughed at the joke) was overwhelmed by the occasion - and when he saw Jada's upset face and decided to do something, anything, to show that's not ok to hurt his wife's feelings. He didn't hit Chris hard, clearly - otherwise he would have fallen over, but still, the use of violence like that will make a lot of comedians think twice from now... So, yeah, there's a A LOT to think about.

It would have been really cool if Jada herself got up and slapped his face though, instead of Will Smith.

It all seems so dramatic it's really hard to believe it wasn't a set up, but it really seems it wasn't.

 

[Ax^]

Assuming he wanted to do that, surely? Seen plenty of situations where someone has slapped another person to 'make a point' rather than actually cause serious physical damage.

if they end up doing a celebrity boxing match will you at least concide it was a scripted event to garner interest in a boring 4 hour long award show

 

[trashpony]

I'm sorry for Jada Pinkett Smith, having alopecia must be really hard. But this just feels like yet another take on men 'defending' their womenfolk using violence. Which is so fucking old and tedious and shit. If that were me, I'd be utterly fucked off at him. (By 'him' I mean Will Smith though I guess I'd be pretty fucked off at Chris Rock too.)

(Also interesting that initially he laughs along, then he sees his wife rolling her eyes and looking pissed off and it's only then that he heads for the stage.)

This. All this ‘my wife’ stuff.

Toxic masculinity. And people wonder what we can do about male violence

 

[Petcha]

Toe curlingly he then had to accept his award for playing a violent man (the violence largely airbrushed out in the film). His reaction to the whole thing is pretty bizarre too. Performing all his 'hits' at the vanity fair party, rocking out on the dance floor all night with his oscar.

 

[Elpenor]

Would have been peak America had Will Smith got a gun out.

 

[8ball]

Correct thing to do would have been for Smith to hold Rock down while his missus punched him in the face.

Two in the eye for the Patrarchy, that would have been.