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The Neo-Conservatives

CyberRose said:
(Sorry for the essay but, well, I wrote an essay on it and the above is a summary!)

No thats great thanks. A very cohesive summary. I for one would like to see the essay if you wouldn't mind posting it here. Are you a politics student then?

I agree that it does seem to be about empire building.

As summarized on the PNAC website:

'• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.'

Despite their idealistic references to political freedom, I think it is more about ‘economic freedom’, or dominating the economies of weaker nations for American interests, but primarily for private interests. In this way they are allied with economic ‘Globalists’, using phony rhetoric and strong arm tactics to subject and profit from them. Leaving those countries in devastated as in the case of the World Bank and Argentina (see my ‘Globalisation’ thread) or with the Neo-Cons and Afghanistan and Iraq.

If I may be permitted to state the obvious once again, I think they are also opportunists, as in the case of Afghanistan, or use subterfuge (Iraq). Many of them are adherents to Machiavellian principles, they make no secret of this. Though I am no expert I believe this basically means that the ‘ends justify the means’. This leads to all kinds of horrific possibilities.

They are also very militaristic, as their stated principles above show. One of their core ideas is that America had not made full use of its military advantage.
 
Kripcat said:
Really? I'm no yank, but I get the impression that pretty much anyone with a donkey t-shirt could win in 08. At least going by the 2006 Senate and House elections.
Most americans are not ready for a female or minority president yet, no matter what anyone says.
 
EddyBlack said:
No thats great thanks. A very cohesive summary. I for one would like to see the essay if you wouldn't mind posting it here. Are you a politics student then?
Well the neocon bit is half an MA dissertation so would be about 6000 words so not sure here would be the best place to post it! lol (plus according to U75 protocol, having been a politics/international relations student actually means you have less of an idea about those subjects than if you hadn't studied them! :D )
 
I had the impression that Giuliani, and Hilary Clinton where the current frontrunners for the Republicans and Democrats respectively. Other contenders I've heard of are Ron Paul and John McCain (Rep.), and Obama, Kucinich (Dem.)


Kucinich would be the least worst option but he has no chance
 
Ron Paul would be an improvement. He is against the miliaristic approach and favours withdrawing from Iraq and having a more isolationist role for America.
 
CyberRose said:
(Sorry for the essay but, well, I wrote an essay on it and the above is a summary!)

Apologies not needed!!

Thanks for this, it reminds me of a few salient truths. My need for humanity to lead the way for humans often hinders my reading of situations purely in political terms.

The sad thing about your summary is how ideas and and the wish for idealised ends overtake the sanctity of human life.

That when in power one loses one's empathy and compassion for those with life, and instead hands over one's own humanness to concrete things, dead things.

It's not the neo-cons that need a counterbalancing force per se (eg no more USSR), it is politics and politicians in general that need taming, if we want a world of peace not endless war and fighting.
 
EddyBlack said:
Ron Paul would be an improvement. He is against the miliaristic approach and favours withdrawing from Iraq and having a more isolationist role for America.

The americans are not going to be withdrawing from iraq, and not any time soon, not until they are somehow forced to.

They have invaded it to provide themselves with just the right military base in just the right area. Look at the size of the new embassy they've built in baghdad...

And remember they have military bases or presence in two-thirds of the world's nations.

It's an absolute con, perpetuated/perpetrated by anglo-american media that the US will withdraw from iraq. Never!! All discussion on it in this media is based on a false premise (like much of the content) and therefore the discussion is just a game.

They're not leaving, not until their empire crumbles from within.
 
EddyBlack said:
Ron Paul would be an improvement. He is against the miliaristic approach and favours withdrawing from Iraq and having a more isolationist role for America.
He is however a complete nutcase for other reasons.
 
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