So the same applies to flashers too then? Women should just stop getting worked up about it.
The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
There is no class angle. That was my point. Does this naked rambling bullshit in any way serve the interests of the working class? No. So why mention it? Because it makes it easier to nail the position as irrelevant. It's liberal stuff.
You're libertarian right though so I expect you'd disagree.
Why is not wanting people jailed for their idiosyncrasies 'liberal'?
There is no sign that you are a libertarian whatsoever.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Perhaps you should stop doing it. You are willy waving here, so maybe that's you irl.
Of course that's an unfair argument, rather like equating the guy to a sex pest, of which there is no evidence.
Your mock outrage on behalf of women and girls is just dismal. Unless you can show us where a woman has felt threatened by him in this fashion.
Quit while you are behind.
Can you point to where I supposedly supported incarceration please?
My position is the rights of the individual shouldn't impose negatively on those around them. Telling people that their views on unsolicited nudity are 'wrong' doesn't make it any less anti social.
Of course I can't be sure if women and girls have ever felt threatened by his nudity but what I do know is that he doesn't bother seeking their consent either.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He's not being jailed for his idiosyncrasies. He's being jailed for continually breaking not unreasonable laws. The ECHR was absolutely correct on this:
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
maybe we could compromise and just have him wear pixels over his meat n two. And is ringpiece when he bends over. Thats how they stop nudity offending on the tele.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
It's implied that you dismiss concern about the issue as 'liberal'. But if you don't agree with incarceration just say so.
I'd rather he put his clothes on frankly, but given his intransigence on the point I don't wish it resolved by him being jailed.
If he starts rubbing himself in public whilst harassing women then that's another matter.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
That quote is utter BS. You could jail just about anyone for something using that.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Ludicrous. Do women need your consent to show a lot of cleavage?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Bollocks. You could jail anyone who consistently breaks the law on that basis.
I just don't get why there's clamour to uphold the rights of this fellow over and above the wishes of everyone else. There doesn't appear to be great support for nakedness in public. I've certainly never heard any of my mates piss and moan about living under the tyranny of clothing.
I don't agree with locking him up at all. He isn't a danger to anyone and this is just the state reacting to its authority being challenged. But there's a discussion to be had over what would be the correct response to anti social acts, and if nudity falls into that bracket or not.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
How would you have it resolved?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The standard liberal position is that conduct should only be criminalised if it harms others. Of course there is much debate around what is meant by 'harm' in this context. One interpretation is that it involves unjustified physical interferences with the person or their property or threats of such interferences. Other lesser forms of harm, such as those that are merely offensive or annoying or anti-social are best dealt with by socialisation, condemnation and scorn rather than criminal sanction on this account.
However, sometimes the boundary between conduct that is 'merely' offensive and conduct that is threatening is difficult to identify. Public flashing to my mind undoubtedly falls on the side of 'threatening' conduct, it is directed at particular individuals and often the victims are young. What about public masturbation? This could still amount to threatening conduct imo, even if not directed against a particular individual. How about reading a pornographic magazine in the public? This is less obviously threatening, but is nevertheless entirely inappropriate and very offensive. Such conduct is largely discouraged through social norms, but should the criminal law exist as a backstop in the rare circumstances where this discouragement fails? Arguably, this example might suggest that the concept of criminalisable (that should be a word!) harm could in some limited circumstances be extended to conduct that is grossly offensive even if they are not directly threatening.
The offensiveness of adult public nudity is rather context specific - at a nudist beach or a naked bike ride its not offensive at all (at least not to me), in a children's playground its clearly unacceptable. In a public highway? Personally I think that even if we disapprove of such conduct or consider it anti-social, or weird or eccentric, it should probably fall short of criminal conduct. Tolerance, at least legal tolerance at any rate, is the best policy imo.
However, sometimes the boundary between conduct that is 'merely' offensive and conduct that is threatening is difficult to identify. Public flashing to my mind undoubtedly falls on the side of 'threatening' conduct, it is directed at particular individuals and often the victims are young. What about public masturbation? This could still amount to threatening conduct imo, even if not directed against a particular individual. How about reading a pornographic magazine in the public? This is less obviously threatening, but is nevertheless entirely inappropriate and very offensive. Such conduct is largely discouraged through social norms, but should the criminal law exist as a backstop in the rare circumstances where this discouragement fails? Arguably, this example might suggest that the concept of criminalisable (that should be a word!) harm could in some limited circumstances be extended to conduct that is grossly offensive even if they are not directly threatening.
The offensiveness of adult public nudity is rather context specific - at a nudist beach or a naked bike ride its not offensive at all (at least not to me), in a children's playground its clearly unacceptable. In a public highway? Personally I think that even if we disapprove of such conduct or consider it anti-social, or weird or eccentric, it should probably fall short of criminal conduct. Tolerance, at least legal tolerance at any rate, is the best policy imo.
You asked me to prove whether anyone had felt threatened by his nudity which is a ridiculous request. But given he doesn't seek consent and views are both varied and many, what do you suppose the probability is?
This guy reminds me a bit of that bloke who did the one man protest camp outside parliament for years. There is something correct about his central point but the whole thing just makes me sad and like that Parliament bloke I can help thinking its a lfe wasted.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Hampshire police alone received over 30 complaints from the public last year which prompted their asbo application.
Why should one man trump (at least) 30.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Not me! Not if it was justified and genuinely meant he'd be getting the treatment and support he needed!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if he grows out his bush he could cover up with that.
I have strongly defended this geezers right to walk around naked on this thread but he's lost every appeal. I like that he maintains his nakedness in jail though. Keeping it real.
I have strongly defended this geezers right to walk around naked on this thread but he's lost every appeal. I like that he maintains his nakedness in jail though. Keeping it real.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Is it only one man who feels strongly about presenting nude though? I thought there were thousands of people who would if they could but probably would prefer not to be arrested.
He even walks around naked on this thread? Is there anywhere the man won't get his todger out?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
not heard of the naturist movement then?Eh?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Wtf are you on about?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
obviously not. Heard of Google?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Oh fuck off. As far as I'm aware there are few, if any, naturists campaigning for the right to walk through streets and past schools with their bollocks out.
joustmaster
offcumdun
this is dodgy ground.
comparing walking somewhere naked to someone committing a sexual attack.
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