Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
you fuck off
The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!
- Thread starter claphamboy
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According to Mr Moose it's their views that are wrong and not the actions of this individual.
Both are unsolicited. I agree that one is passive though.
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Plastic Paddy
Sorry but if you post patronising shit here "obviously not, heard of Google" you're going to get your post rammed up your arse.
joustmaster
offcumdun
most things, if not all, in public are unsolicited
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
as far as I'm concerned you became offensive first. I was repsonding to your tone. Please assume I've fucked off and stop bothering me!
I've put you on ignore.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I think news reports earlier in the thread indicated that he had walked starkers through a crowd of schoolkids? That ties in with jeffs long post- the point about where and when nudity is acceptable in public.
I'm sure we get to hear about all the other anti social acts too.
To clarify, you think there are parts of the UK where if you walked past a school with a short skirt on there would be complaints to the police? Really? Perhaps you should name them?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I've seen a news report where a trans woman was actually ASBOed to stay away from schools even though she lived next to one because her skirts were deemed too short.
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Plastic Paddy
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Plastic Paddy
Ah, she's a fucking idiot.
Really. Where? I'd love to see the context of that because there I can't see any law being infringed there, how short were the skirts?
He's the naked rambler not the naked public transport user.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Its not a case of straight forward arithmetic through. We're weighing his liberty interest - a fundamental interest - against the interest of 30 plus people not being offended by his naked body - which in comparison is a fairly trivial concern. Certain TV shows and radio programs generate thousands of complaints by people who are offended by things that are said and done on them, but they don't involve any serious demands for criminalising such conduct. Why? Because most people agree that there has to be certain threshold of seriousness before conduct can be criminalised.
FWIW I am not defending his unilateral and uncompromising rebellion against a near universally held societal norm. It's anti-social and ultimately counter-productive to any naturist cause at any rate. I just think that it falls within the category of conduct that is better dealt with without recourse to the criminal law.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Surely the argument is about the freedom to do this anywhere? There's already places for nudists to go if they so wish.
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
He has the right to be naked. Others have the right not to see others naked.
The responsibility is on him not to inflict his nudity on others.
I think he has some kind of problem as he seems to prefer to go to jail than to live in a way where he can express his naturalism without breaking the law.
The responsibility is on him not to inflict his nudity on others.
I think he has some kind of problem as he seems to prefer to go to jail than to live in a way where he can express his naturalism without breaking the law.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Again, what would that recourse be?
What hasn't been tried that could resolve the situation. Allowing him to carry on or "ignoring him" is not a resolution.
joustmaster
offcumdun
that quote doesn't sit right, with me.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Personally, I think it probably is the best resolution in this instance.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
naturism surely!
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Plastic Paddy
But it isn't a resolution. His law breaking will continue to alarm and offend a lot of other members of society.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
So do all manner of people - radio shock jocks and journalists for example. Criminalisation isn't always the solution to the causing of alarm and offence.
joustmaster
offcumdun
has anyone explained why its offencive, to be undressed, yet?
which bit is specifically the offensive bit?
is it worse to have the balls or the dick out? what about having a bit of pubes showing?
people were once alarmed by the showing of ankles, or the wearing of bikinis. eventually these became acceptable to whatever the dailymail types were called back then.
a smaller group causing alarm to a larger group isn't reason enough to stop them.
in life, people are often offended.
which bit is specifically the offensive bit?
is it worse to have the balls or the dick out? what about having a bit of pubes showing?
people were once alarmed by the showing of ankles, or the wearing of bikinis. eventually these became acceptable to whatever the dailymail types were called back then.
a smaller group causing alarm to a larger group isn't reason enough to stop them.
in life, people are often offended.
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Well yes, context. Not just a trans woman as such, he / she was dressing as a schoolgirl and hung around school gates when he had no obvious reason for being there, thats a bit different then a woman walking past a school with a short skirt and besides the law came down on his side (with regard to jail) eventually.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390
Nah there's more to it then that. This guy is directly seeking out confrontation with the law, he's a very sad case and this whole thing is just eating him up.
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Plastic Paddy
But they rarely break the law. He has been jailed for contempt and for breaking social orders.
There's a reason that this guy is considered by many to be a freak and that's because as you mentioned, he's bucking against millenia of universal social norms.
Why are those norms thus? Why haven't they changed over the last several thousand years? Why should they change now because a handful of fruitcakes say so?
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