Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

[Spymaster]

I understand the desire to see the perpetrators of this horrendous crime dealt with in a manner that is more severe than the law currently allows for. You wouldn't be human if you didn't.

But the male here (obviously my knowledge is limited to mens jails) will not be locked up with normal prisoners. The only cons he'll be seeing are the worst of the worst from the Vulnerable Prisoner unit so that's other child killers, serial child rapists and such. Anyone getting at him isn't someone to cheer, i wouldnt want to be pleased by the act of any bacon or rapist, no matter their target.

What is an act of bacon?

 

[VivaE]

What is an act of bacon?

Where you hit someone over the head with a dead pig.

 

[tonysingh]

What is an act of bacon?

I feel you are perhaps being obtuse but bacon = nonce therefore, as I postulated, the action of a paedophile would be the answer you seek.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

What is an act of bacon?

Surely an omniscient chap like you knows that inside ODCs refer to child sex offenders as bacon?

 

[ouirdeaux]

I didn't know it. I suspect many didn't.

 

[Spymaster]

I feel you are perhaps being obtuse but bacon = nonce therefore, as I postulated, the action of a paedophile would be the answer you seek.

Not being obtuse. I had no idea that a bacon was a nonce. I'm going to use it though.

Where's it from?

 

[Orang Utan]

I had assumed it meant prison officer.

 

[JimW]

Not being obtuse. I had no idea that a bacon was a nonce. I'm going to use it though.

Where's it from?

Bacon bonce, rhyming slang.

 

[PTK]

There will be an enquiry. It will avoid saying: A complete lack of resources in Social Services, Education and policing meaning people working with case loads far in excess of what is safe and often beyond their level of training.

It will focus on the Swiss cheese. Which will be personal failings by the professionals involved, and maybe their line managers. It might say that people involved weren’t properly trained to agreed statements ( but see above) Communication breaking down between organisations and between teams on organisations. A failure of IT systems to interface correctly.

It will conclude by saying lessons have been learned.

The systemic reason is the public sector has been hollowed out in order to redistribute wealth to the big corporations and their owners. But no one really cares apart from for a few days after cases like this.

Well said. The governments of the past fifteen years ought to be in jail for cutting resources.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I feel you are perhaps being obtuse but bacon = nonce therefore, as I postulated, the action of a paedophile would be the answer you seek.

I didn't know that either.

 

[JimW]

Think I learned it off Tony using it on the boards before.

 

[Spymaster]

I'm always amused by the anti-death penalty folk who decry judicial execution as barbaric, then start fantasising about boiling nonces in sugar, having them beaten-up, dismembered, assaulted ... etc etc

 

[PTK]

The thing that I think in cases like this is that we need to understand how people become so horrible. They should be studied, so we can deepen our understanding of the causative factors. I am sure that people are not born wanting to engage in torture. We need to be able to identify people who may become like that, so we can intervene and steer them away from that path, or at least keep them away from being able to inflict suffering on others.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm always amused by the anti-death penalty folk who decry judicial execution as barbaric, then start fantasising about boiling nonces in sugar, having them beaten-up, dismembered, assaulted ... etc etc

And it usually gets short shrift on here. Certainly does from me.

 

[MickiQ]

I'm always amused by the anti-death penalty folk who decry judicial execution as barbaric, then start fantasising about boiling nonces in sugar, having them beaten-up, dismembered, assaulted ... etc etc

I have no moral objections to killing this guy and indeed if there was an absolutely reliable way of only selecting those who deserve it would be happy to take my turn as executioner but despite your talk of safeguards there really isn't any such means of doing so. So we're stuck with letting these scumbags live so that we don't kill someone who's innocent. Price we have to pay for the greater good I'm afraid.

 

[Spymaster]

I have no moral objections to killing this guy ...

Why not?

 

[Orang Utan]

I…would be happy to take my turn as executioner

I'm always amused by the anti-death penalty folk who decry judicial execution as barbaric, then start fantasising about boiling nonces in sugar, having them beaten-up, dismembered, assaulted ... etc etc

Meant to put Spy’s quote first there.
But it’s disturbing to read that there are people on here ready and willing to volunteer to execute another human being, even theoretically

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I had assumed it meant prison officer.

No, they are called (to their face) “guvnor”

 

[PTK]

Meant to put Spy’s quote first there.
But it’s disturbing to read that there are people on here ready and willing to volunteer to execute another human being, even theoretically

Yep. And perhaps these are the potential war criminals in our society.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I'm always amused by the anti-death penalty folk who decry judicial execution as barbaric, then start fantasising about boiling nonces in sugar, having them beaten-up, dismembered, assaulted ... etc etc

Speaking of sugar: very effective assault tactic in prison is adding sugar to boiling water. Causes more facial damage

 

[MickiQ]

Why not?

That's a strange question, I just don't. I don't feel that he has any further right to life and certainly what he's done is worthy of serious punishment. Killing him would quick, clean and an efficient use of society's resources.
Plus it would have the extra benefit of the majority of population feeling justice has been done. Morals and Justice are of course very subjective things anyway.
But I stand by my belief that there is no absolute way of making sure that the innocent aren't executed which is why we can't make a start with this guy.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm always amused by the anti-death penalty folk who decry judicial execution as barbaric, then start fantasising about boiling nonces in sugar, having them beaten-up, dismembered, assaulted ... etc etc

Some of us aren't hand-wringing liberals like you, wishing these fuckers get an easy way out...

 

[MickiQ]

Meant to put Spy’s quote first there.
But it’s disturbing to read that there are people on here ready and willing to volunteer to execute another human being, even theoretically

You do spout some utter shite don't you?

Yep. And perhaps these are the potential war criminals in our society.

And you're starting to go the same way

 

[PTK]

Perhaps the convicted can gain popularity with other prisoners by teaching them

That's a strange question, I just don't. I don't feel that he has any further right to life and certainly what he's done is worthy of serious punishment. Killing him would quick, clean and an efficient use of society's resources.
Plus it would have the extra benefit of the majority of population feeling justice has been done. Morals and Justice are of course very subjective things anyway.
But I stand by my belief that there is no absolute way of making sure that the innocent aren't executed which is why we can't make a start with this guy.

What? Efficient use of resources? That seems a rather psychopathic way of deciding how to treat other human beings.

 

[Orang Utan]

You do spout some utter shite don't you?

You said you’d happily execute someone. And me expressing my dismay at this is an example of me talking shite. Maybe you didn’t mean it and if was you who were talking shite

 

[Lotte]

I have no moral objections to killing this guy and indeed if there was an absolutely reliable way of only selecting those who deserve it would be happy to take my turn as executioner but despite your talk of safeguards there really isn't any such means of doing so. So we're stuck with letting these scumbags live so that we don't kill someone who's innocent. Price we have to pay for the greater good I'm afraid.

Yep. Nobody wants another Derek Bentley, do they? Also, look at how skewed against poor and black prisoners the US justice system is. It also costs a LOT of taxpayer money to keep people on Death Row.

Death is the easy way out.

 

[Spymaster]

That's a strange question, I just don't. I don't feel that he has any further right to life and certainly what he's done is worthy of serious punishment. Killing him would quick, clean and an efficient use of society's resources.
Plus it would have the extra benefit of the majority of population feeling justice has been done.

So you've made an excellent case for capital punishment, agreed that this PoS deserves to die, and we're agreed that he's 100% guilty beyond any doubt.

There are a lot of similar cases.

How about we only kill those people?

 

[MickiQ]

So you've made an excellent case for capital punishment, agreed that this PoS deserves to die, and we're agreed that he's 100% guilty beyond any doubt.

There are a lot of similar cases.

How about we only kill those people?

Because there is no way you can guarantee that you will stop with 'only those people' You can talk about safeguards all you want but there is not and never will be one that's good enough which means perfect.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How about we don't turn this into a thread about capital punishment?

And maybe there are better ways to express horror or revulsion about what was done than to wish forms of violence upon the perpetrators?

 

[Spymaster]

Because there is no way you can guarantee that you will stop with 'only those people'...

That's like saying there's no way you can guarantee you can stop eating sandwiches.

Of course you can.