The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!

[joustmaster]

I'd love to be able to pop out to the shops without having to bother getting dressed.

 

[Spymaster]

You are demented if you think this is exhibitionism.

Not at all. His behaviour fits all aspects of exhibitionism except perhaps the sexual gratification bit. Hence "bordering".

 

[Teaboy]

i wouldn't dispute at all that this man may be quite damaged Teaboy.

But isn't it quite sad to think that the only way of dealing with damaged humans is to further inflict them with prison sentences? Maybe treatment and kindness fit the bill? Someone prepared to go to prison for contempt when the original charges were pretty trivial don't seem to have much of a grasp of what being part of a society involves, and imprisonment is unlikely to 'reform' their difficult behaviour?

I wouldn't disagree with any of that and prison is clearly not the right place for him. I don't know whether the appropriate support is there for him, but it seems that he doesn't want support, he wants to walk around the country naked which rightly or wrongly is illegal.

Its just a sad story really, maybe he likes prison? I doubt it though, he's just wasting his life really.

 

[redcogs]

So, slam him up repeatedly Spymaster, but don't be surprised when his behaviour does not change. Prison creates criminals and further damages the damaged. The man is probably not reformable.

What then are we left with?

Execution?

 

[Wilf]

Maybe they should tattoo some kecks on him.

 

[TopCat]

I feel for the bloke.People should just ignore his bare bollocks.

 

[Spymaster]

So, slam him up repeatedly Spymaster...

Yes, of course. The alternative is to allow him to do what he's doing.

He's been offered help, he's been told to desist. What more is there besides letting him break the law?

 

[TopCat]

Yes, of course. The alternative is to allow him to do what he's doing.

He's been offered help, he's been told to desist. What more is there besides letting him break the law?

Change the law.

 

[malatesta32]

put yr pants on man.
manifesto:

 

[Spymaster]

Change the law.

To allow the breaching of asbos and contempt of court?

Can't see it myself.

 

[TopCat]

To allow the breaching of asbos and contempt of court?

Can't see it myself.

Neither can I but it would still be the right thing to do.

 

[DotCommunist]

well asbos can fuck of for starters, they basically mean a specific law invented just for one individual and as such are a damn sight away from lady justice

 

[Spymaster]

Neither can I but it would still be the right thing to do.

Well clearly I disagree.

 

[redcogs]

i'm for an ignore response to the naked man Spymaster.

i don't care to elevate 'the law' into the lofty area of humanities finest achievements, as though there is an obligation on all to regard 'the law' as something hallowed and worthy of worship. It isn't. The judicial system isn't properly accountable to the public, only to a small section of it, mainly those who sit at the very pinnacle of the establishment.

i'd have a different attitude to a judiciary (and process) that was accountable to all society, and where regular elections ensured that accountability wasn't class biased and dominated by privilege.

 

[8ball]

Neither can I but it would still be the right thing to do.

I think if there was a way to ignore him without creating any iffy legal precedents that might come back to bite us, the authorities might be more up for that course of action. It's not like no compromises have been suggested.

 

[TopCat]

I think if there was a way to ignore him without creating any iffy legal precedents that might come back to bite us, the authorities might be more up for that course of action. It's not like no compromises have been suggested.

What possible compromise is there? He is either naked or clothed?

 

[Spymaster]

i don't care to elevate 'the law' into the lofty area of humanities finest achievements, as though there is an obligation on all to regard 'the law' as something hallowed and worthy of worship. It isn't. The judicial system isn't properly accountable to the public, only to a small section of it, mainly those who sit at the very pinnacle of the establishment.

i'd have a different attitude to a judiciary (and process) that was accountable to all society, and where regular elections ensured that accountability wasn't class biased and dominated by privilege.

Well you can stand on that soapbox for as long as you like and it's probably the subject of another thread, but at the end of the day law is necessary. Ours isn't perfect but it's as good as most and better than many. If you want to try to change it go right ahead.

In the meantime ...

 

[8ball]

What possible compromise is there? He is either naked or clothed?

In which case there is no issue at all since he is wearing boots.

 

[TopCat]

Well you can stand on that soapbox for as long as you like and it's probably the subject of another thread, but at the end of the day law is necessary. Ours isn't perfect but it's as good as most and better than many. If you want to try to change it go right ahead.

In the meantime ...

Lots of our laws are not necessary at all.

 

[8ball]

Lots of our laws are not necessary at all.

And lots of lawyers are not necessary at all (corporate lawyers, I may or may not be looking at you). We could create a whole forum with arguments about why the law is asinine, but in terms of where we are at the moment, the simplest humane responses to dealing with him are liable to create precedents which may be abused later.

 

[Spymaster]

Lots of our laws are not necessary at all.

Many aren't. But which are and which aren't is subjective.

 

[TopCat]

Laws making people cover their genitals are as ridiculous as a law that makes women cover their heads or forces men to have beards. People should learn to be more tolerant and raise their children to be more tolerant.

 

[TopCat]

Many aren't. But which are and which aren't is subjective.

I am right and you are wrong.

 

[Spymaster]

I am right and you are wrong.

Ah, ok.

You should've said so earlier!

 

[TopCat]

Ah, ok.

You should've said so earlier!

 

[DotCommunist]

you'd think an old soldier would know to gird his loins

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

I'd love to be able to pop out to the shops without having to bother getting dressed.

I'm not sure I'd want people flopping their meat all over the fresh produce in the supermarket.

 

[redcogs]

If i'd been wondering around the town naked few would have eyesight acute enough to have noticed the offending member

i'd have been 'let off' with a sympathetic smile for failing to disturb the peace..

Not that i suffer from any sort of envy you understand.

 

[8ball]

I'm not sure I'd want people flopping their meat all over the fresh produce in the supermarket.

That's why you are instructed to wash your fruit and veg.

 

[Wilf]

I'm not sure I'd want people flopping their meat all over the fresh produce in the supermarket.

(((((Salad bars)))))