joustmaster
offcumdun
Some sort of hair net?
The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
silverfish
Sprinkling glitter on turds
I'm suprised he hasn't
1. Ended up on some sort of register
2. Not had some immediate neanderthal street justice dished out to him at some point
not suggesting either, just wondering
1. Ended up on some sort of register
2. Not had some immediate neanderthal street justice dished out to him at some point
not suggesting either, just wondering
On the refrigerated aisles maybe the 'reduced' shelf would be ok?
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
frequenting the tramps in the buff-et
TopCat
Putin fanboy
What "register"?
8ball
#notallmuslims
I can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Nearly two years for going about with your nads out seems excessive. Otoh, it all seems very self-centred. It comes across as a bit me me me and sod you if you don't like it. Some people get offended by the wearing of the veil or headscarf even and I think quite rightly we regard that as none of their business. But public nudity, and in particular this quite strident nudity is somewhat different. It's not just different, it's radically out of step with the way the rest of us behave. And as we aren't just a bunch of isolated individuals, I think the general reaction should be taken seriously.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I don't think widely held social mores hold validity simply because they are widely held. Anti-semitism was once widely held in this country and a matter of casual accepted bigotry.
obviously nobody really wants this oddballs meat n two in their eyeline as they tuck into a hotdog- but one man out of a 40-60 mil population? He's not wanking off in public ffs.
as I have stated before its not really about his nudity now. It's a battle of will(ies) between him and the judiciary now. Contempt is treated with the utmost severity because the judiciary maintain their power by enforcing that lady justice will not be mocked. Yes, all law is class law, but I'm looking at it from the view of the court. It's not the nudity per se that keeps getting him nicked but the repeated refusal to kow tow before the judges and the system
obviously nobody really wants this oddballs meat n two in their eyeline as they tuck into a hotdog- but one man out of a 40-60 mil population? He's not wanking off in public ffs.
as I have stated before its not really about his nudity now. It's a battle of will(ies) between him and the judiciary now. Contempt is treated with the utmost severity because the judiciary maintain their power by enforcing that lady justice will not be mocked. Yes, all law is class law, but I'm looking at it from the view of the court. It's not the nudity per se that keeps getting him nicked but the repeated refusal to kow tow before the judges and the system
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Don't imagine it would be very much of a problem in the chilled aisle...
You could operate a zoned system I suppose, like in swimming pools: plastic overpants must be worn beyond this point. Certainly no genitals in the bakery or among the soft fruit. Common decency innit.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I mean look at huhne- it was a speeding ticket. But his attempts to get one over on the court was what landed him in trouble, not the offence itself.
cunt got out after a very short spell and got a NS column.
class law rules again
cunt got out after a very short spell and got a NS column.
class law rules again
Because most realise there is some sort of psychological issue involved here, there is no lack of sympathy for our naked rambler's aberration. DotCommie identifies the pertinent issue though - the lickspittles of the judiciary don't enjoy being ignored, and have invented this mystical 'last word' alter of 'contempt' to which each must genuflect.
Their preferred method of dealing with individuals who display unreasonable dissent is to throw the book firmly. How could they do otherwise? Its due process regardless. Their positions and appearance depend upon it being upheld.
Their preferred method of dealing with individuals who display unreasonable dissent is to throw the book firmly. How could they do otherwise? Its due process regardless. Their positions and appearance depend upon it being upheld.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
There's nothing "mystical" about contempt laws and they (or there equivalents) are an essential part of every judicial system.
Nothing about the case of Stephen Gough suggests that he's been treated in any way unfairly by "the system" ...... maaaaan.
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SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
German cities like Berlin & Munich have naturist areas in their public parks where office workers can strip off to eat their bockwursts etc naked at lunchtime. I'm sure a naturist area of Hyde Park would be equally popular with central London office workers in warm weather & Gough could be groundsman or whatever, they could try him on day relief from jail to see how he got on. 
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
A naturist park keeper - 'Oi you! Get them pants off, you're in contravention of by-law 346'.German cities like Berlin & Munich have naturist areas in their public parks where office workers can strip off to eat their bockwursts etc naked at lunchtime. I'm sure a naturist area of Hyde Park would be equally popular with central London office workers in warm weather & Gough could be groundsman or whatever, they could try him on day relief from jail to see how he got on.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Parapraxis?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Somehow, they'd blame Bulgarians and the BBC.
Doesn't fair or unfair rather depend upon ones perspective Spymaster?
i've not used either term in relation to Mr Gough - it has simply been pointed out that the judicial system is designed to be the last word - of those who control it.
Surely this is an uncontentious matter?
Naked Bulgarians? That's the only logical conclusion to the EU project.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
As you well know contempt, perverting the course and other such laws are in place to ensure a judicial framework doesn't have the piss ripped out of it. When that becomes the basis for prosecution however it obfuscates the ungravity of the initial crime and actually becomes more about a legal authority exercising powers to maintain the inviolate nature of Lady Justice ( and LOL cos she lifts her skirts for anyone with the right money). It is then an exercise in power
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No, not really in this case. Few people outside of these boards would consider Gough's actions to be reasonable and the courts have been exceptionally lenient with him.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Of course.
Yes, and a very necessary one. If people were able to pick and choose which law to comply with the system would obviously fail.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Like fox hunting perhaps?
i'm reminded of when i was a horny handed toiler in the 1980s. This older colleague (early 60s) lost his wife suddenly. On returning to work after some weeks, he appeared ok. One day he is in his works vehicle, parked up on the busy high street. He starts jerking off in full view of all.. Telephone calls produced police response. Arrested, later released into management hands.
He was sent home on sick leave. His line manager though had to discipline him when he eventually returned to work. Ended with a verbal warning.
As a TU activist at the time it was one of the few occasions when i felt sorry for the manager tasked with dealing with the matter.
All round sadness. A bit like this poor geezer Gough.
He was sent home on sick leave. His line manager though had to discipline him when he eventually returned to work. Ended with a verbal warning.
As a TU activist at the time it was one of the few occasions when i felt sorry for the manager tasked with dealing with the matter.
All round sadness. A bit like this poor geezer Gough.
amazing
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Ungrateful
Tired and Weary
I disagree. The length of prison sentence for matters so trivial does suggest an unfairness. I don't like seeing dangily bits either, but unless he is doing it to intimidate (like a flasher) or as a prelude to a sexual assault, which he isn't. Then this is just an aesthetic difference. I don't like socks with sandals, adults wearing full football kits (unless they are playing football), people wearing the colours of a rival football team, sleazy t-shirt slogans and a thousand other fashion irritations, but I wouldn't see them go to prison. If ever there was a matter for the court to practice de minimis non curat lex [have I got that right] - this is it.
And people can and do pick which laws to follow without a break down into civil disorder. Today many, many people will break the speed limit, illegally download copyrighted entertainment, keep a recording of a TV programme for more than 28 days, pay cash-in-hand, not fully disclose all their income to the Taxman or the Benefits department - few of them will, as a result go on to kill the innocent, rob the elderly or import pistachio nuts from Iran without proper documentation. Millions didn't pay the Poll tax and that lead to a period of greater social cohesion in many communities than obeying the law. if a law is ridiculous or its enforcement unwarranted and authoritarian, then it is right to disobey it.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I was thinking about that. You're right that people can and do break laws and the penalties are often less severe. The difference is the contempt aspect. If I break the speed limit and get caught I get a fine. If I do it again, and again, and again, and again, the sanction gets increasingly harsh. Gough gets told to put some fucking clothes on and walks out of the court naked, again, and again, and again ... !
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The picture of him in this (don't worry, it's work safe) suggests his obsession/treatment by the state isn't doing him any favours. Looks very thin.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jan/06/naked-rambler-jailed-16-months-breaching-asbo
At an obvious level he's right, it would be nice if we could loosen up a bit about bodies. It would also be nice if the cops and ppl reporting him could put him on ignore. Same time, it's gone long past being any kind of social protest, right into pure obsession (or so it seems). Brian Haw without a cause, Charles Bronson without the violence, all a bit sad really. Most of all though, cops, cps, the whole lot of them should just lighten up a bit. Last time he went down I seem to remember the costs of all this were in the hundred thousands - and more to the point it's not doing him or his family any good.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jan/06/naked-rambler-jailed-16-months-breaching-asbo
At an obvious level he's right, it would be nice if we could loosen up a bit about bodies. It would also be nice if the cops and ppl reporting him could put him on ignore. Same time, it's gone long past being any kind of social protest, right into pure obsession (or so it seems). Brian Haw without a cause, Charles Bronson without the violence, all a bit sad really. Most of all though, cops, cps, the whole lot of them should just lighten up a bit. Last time he went down I seem to remember the costs of all this were in the hundred thousands - and more to the point it's not doing him or his family any good.
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