charlie mowbray said:That would have been me. I'm pretty sure I coined the phrase and the thinking around it in the mid-70s
charlie mowbray said:That would have been me. I'm pretty sure I coined the phrase and the thinking around it in the mid-70s
kropotkin said:...or a super wonky left eye neither
Well, I am good at the caually raised eyebrow, even if I say so meself.rednblack said:that is a casually raised eyebrow
charlie mowbray said:Pickman's model "i think one of the anarchist federation's luminaries describes it as the "leadership of ideas". "
That would have been me. I'm pretty sure I coined the phrase and the thinking around it in the mid-70s
Pickman's model said:lletsa
you don't get it, do you? class war is not supposed to be like lefty trot shit such as social worker. it is supposed to be entertaining and thought-provoking, rather than some sludge the fuckwitted central committee wants you to read. if you were vaguely interested in anarchist politics fifteen years ago, i'd hope you'd have read - or glanced at - the two class war books, decade of disorder and unfinished business. i don't suppose you have cos you wouldn't perhaps be making yrself out to be such a braying ass had you.
why do you take social worker and its sordid ilk seriously? anyone with even a passing interest in anarchist and left-wing politics should notice quite quickly that where anarchists lead the fuckwit trots follow. i think one of the anarchist federation's luminaries describes it as the "leadership of ideas". certainly that describes it best. class war - for example - were involved in anti-fascism in the '80s and '90s when the swp didn't consider it a threat, before their papersales started getting turned over by the fash. class war members were active in anti-capitalism (vs g8, in the '80s stop the city demos &c) before the swp had realised they might be missing a good thing. every fucking thing the swp do is so fucking obviously a rip-off of what anarchists have done previously it's bizarre. if you want to know what the swp will be up to in 2007 or 2009 look at what anarchists are doing irl now.
returning to class war's politics, you could profitably read unfinished business - which, despite being published in 1992, is a good introduction to what we think. you might learn something from it.
i think you made that last bit up rather too blatantly.LLETSA said:And I think you might have missed the irony of your assertion that Socialist Worker is a Class War rip off....
Attica said:Well done Pickmans Model, keep up the good work.
Attica said:Letsa - do you know anything about what happened at Attica in the early 1970's?
charlie mowbray said:- Is that you in the pic , tankie?
kropotkin said:When I met you up in Newcastle you didn't seem all that large.
charlie mowbray said:You'd need dreads for that, tankie-boy.
charlie mowbray said:Pickman's model "i think one of the anarchist federation's luminaries describes it as the "leadership of ideas". "
That would have been me. I'm pretty sure I coined the phrase and the thinking around it in the mid-70s
charlie mowbray said:Why do they call it an opium den ?
They smoke opium den they smoke more opium den they smoke more opium etc
LLETSA said:No.
Nor do I even know where Attica is. I expect that's because I'm a 'down the pub declasse' individual.
But whatever it was that happened, I'm glad to see that you're keeping it in one of the many consciousness's of the working class by choosing as one of your many usernames on Urban 75 Politics and Protest.
Attica said:Well perhaps maybe you should, 'the flowers in the Attica' you mentioned would be on the working class graves in the biggest massacre by American forces in the USA since the Native American Indian genocide...
But, not only for that reason. The prison movement in America is providing some of the best radical working class organising at the moment, thousands attend their conferences... I don't accept the view that there is nothing to learn from outside 'our sceptered isle' either, that would be a truly pathetic position in this techno global age...
Attica said:Again, i do not see anarchism as an end, a goal, the ultimate solution, but a method in which we work.
If we are to recognise class as one of relationship, not only one we have towards the means of production but with every other person who exists, so class articulates itself through a commonality of experience, by means in which common interest is sought & identified, both between ourselves but also towards those whose interests are antagonistic & in opposition to ours. This happens through experience, awareness, realisation & ultimately self-acknowledgement. I am working class not because i choose it as a category but because of the sum total accumulation of my experiences. People experience class culturally, politically, socially & intellectually, but it is experienced as a relationship. Class then is not a position we hold, but one we live through.This is what I believe. And to develop it further, and paraphrasing EP Thompson, and Karl Marx;
'people make history through moral choice, but they do not do so exactly as they please, they make it in conditions inherited and transmitted from the past'....
kropotkin said:no- catch there are quite a few IWCA ers here. Sean, past caring, Louis MacNeice, Joe Reilly, haggy (ex?- now HI), cogg, er...more I think.
ernestolynch said:attica didn't you post once that you said all prisoners should be freed?
Pickman's model said:all yr bullshit about vanguards and central committees and politburos shows you really have never got to grips with some core aspects of anarchism.