butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Is that a green hold or a new seat they've won?
the left is dead
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glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Green hold despite big swing to Lib Dems.
The Trot left and Tankies who are still fighting the battles of the 1930's are definitely dead. All that we are seeing now in groups like the CPGB/SWP/WRP/WL etc etc etc is the antemortem quiverings of a soon to be corpse.
I think that progressive ideas and a desire for a fairer society isn't dead its just that I think in the future countries and groups will look to other philosphies to back it up instead of following the failed quasi religious teachings of Marx etc.
Getting rid of the philosophical dross that underpinned so much 20th Cent leftism may in time lead to a new sort of left thinking.
I think that progressive ideas and a desire for a fairer society isn't dead its just that I think in the future countries and groups will look to other philosphies to back it up instead of following the failed quasi religious teachings of Marx etc.
Getting rid of the philosophical dross that underpinned so much 20th Cent leftism may in time lead to a new sort of left thinking.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
The rejection of Marx by someone who thinks that Hitler was elected, doesn't really convince.
Louis MacNeice
The witterings of those who believe that Marxism is a sensible form of Govt don't convince me either.
Hitler had enough ELECTORAL support to make a takeover easier. Therefore you coudl say that the one testicled Austrian fuckwit was elected.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You don't really know what happend in early 1933 do you? Or what preceded it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ken lIVINGSTONE
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
1. Where have I wittered to that effect?
2. You could say that about Hitler ('the one testicled Austrian fuckwit was elected'), but you'd be wrong.
3. Why not admit you made a mistake?
4. Why not rectify it by doing a little bit of research?
Louis MacNeice
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Zachor - two words for you: Hindenburg.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Marx wrote very much about how to form a government. He mostly wrote about how capitalism works.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bingo!¬
If I've made a factual error then fair do's but I stand by my assertion that the type of leftism that has existed in the past is dead and there needs to be replaced.
Everytime it has been attempted it has ended up in bloodshed and oppression.
I must have missed the chapter on forced labour camps and the secret police when I was reading up on the Attlee government.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Various forms of leftism have been implemented in the past decade in quite a few Latin American countries with relatively little bloodshed or repression and that has almost entirely come from resistance by the right.
In the case of places like Chile and Greece because it was attacked by the right.
gosub
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Not quite General Sedwick's "they couldn't hit an elephant at this distance", but I think given this weeks events, "the end of Reaganonmics and Thatcherism" is more likely to be the historic epitaph of 2008
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
As the heartless beast of international finance capital tramples all over the world economy causing perturbation and despair what I really care about is the tiny far left groups - who are, as it is repeatedly pointed out, dead. I think I speak for the silent majority in this regard.
Hmmmm! I wouldn't say that Chavez's regime is a beacon of tolerance and freedom somehow.
Up to a point I agree with you on Chile. Not sure about Greece.
Compared to most other South American regimes...?
Compared to pre Democratic Argentina yes it is. Compared to other places no it isn't.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Up to point!!? Ok. Up to what point?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The left isn't dead.
The organised left, just like it's always been, is factionalised, and some elements of the left see no cause (not economic, not social) for seeking any kind of modus vivendi with the rest of the left.
Or are you seeking to claim that "the left" is dead so that you can lead the remnants back to salvation?
Massive British intervention post WW2 to prevent the Communists gaining power (it was given to the West by Stalin as part of the deal he and Churchill literally sketched out on the back of an envelope to divide up Europe).
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Why not?
And what about the other countries riding the "pink tide" - e.g Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Chile etc?
AFAIK it's little worse than most other South American governments, and better than some. And certainly better than a lot of the right-wing governments foisted on the continent over the years.
I can't help thinking, there's a certain hypocrisy in the way a lot of people (not you specifically, Zachor) talk of left-wing governments, expecting them somehow to be all of a sudden comparable with the wealthiest countries on earth whereas they wouldn't dream of demanding that of neighbouring countries that don't have stridently lefty presidents.
gosub
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I don't care about 'tiny far left groups' either, which is why I was talking about testing to destruction of mainstream right wing philosophies.
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