The Great Tesco Takeover of Pubs - list them here

[SpookyFrank]

I'm sure Kaya foods on Raddy Rd are massively unimpressed at the Tesco's that's gone up practically next door by the crack flats.

I'm sure the good folk of Radford aren't fooled. Kaya does those fucking gorgeous flatbread thingies for a start, and that polish cream cheese that comes in glass jars, and it sells booze 24 hours a day.

I occasionally go to the Tescos, but only to go through their bins.

 

[stuff_it]

I'm sure the good folk of Radford aren't fooled. Kaya does those fucking gorgeous flatbread thingies for a start, and that polish cream cheese that comes in glass jars, and it sells booze 24 hours a day.

I occasionally go to the Tescos, but only to go through their bins.

Lol, suprised there's owt left round there.

And mmmmm, Kaya flatbread. Mmmm. That and the epic selection of marinated olives and polish mustards.

 

[stuff_it]

...and the inside out chocolate cookies, the ones with the cookie on the outside around a disc of chocolate..

Argh, perhaps I should eat.

 

[William of Walworth]

CAMRA policy and campaigns have a fair bit to say against shop takeovers of pubs, they're particularly critical of lax planning regs that allow such changes of use so easily (this is partly why chains target failing/closed/disused/moribund pubs). Somewhere there's also online advice from CAMRA and linked groups about best ways for local camaigners (not just CAMRA) to resist such changes and keep pubs open and revive them.

Will do some digging online when I have time (unless someone's already posted a relevant link earlier up, in which case apols).

 

[SpookyFrank]

IIRC one of the main reasons planners cave so easily to the supermarkets is that the supermarkets can afford to launch endless appeals against local councils, and councils get stuck with the exorbitant legal costs of these appeals. That money has to come from the local authority budget which would obviously be better spent elsewhere.

Most councils therefore just let the supermarkets build whatever they like because the only alternative is to be repeatedly dragged through the courts by the supermarkets, who will eventually win and build whatever they like anyway.

Local authorities are pretty toothless in these matters basically, the only thing that will be effective is local people boycotting the stores themselves.

 

[Ponyutd]

The Apollo pub in Pinner road Harrow, now a Tesco Express. If you watch the old classic film Genevieve with Ian Carmichael Kenneth Moore and Kay Kendel. Carmichael buys a car, he is chiseled out of his money by the brilliant Dennis Price,the pub was more or less opposite the car garage.

 

[angusmcfangus]

Out here in rickmansworth way, The Happy man, mill end now a tesco express. Despite residents and shopkeepers protests, a few appeals and a
mystery fire. Beware also ricky high st the old clinton cards shop in the past 6-8 wks lots of activity, jack-hammers, hoardings lots of skips etc.
We now have a very twee looking cofee shop. Harris & Hool I think tesco backed. Just what we fechin need.
Also ponyutd in the film Genevieve where the car goes in the water splash, is outside my wee hoose.

 

[twentythreedom]

Those Harris and Hoole places are springing up everywhere.

 

[Roadkill]

In fact Sainsbury seem to becoming intent on targeting every Tesco convenienve store with one of their own - Maybe more. Several places seem to have ended-up with three Sainsbury Locals to every Tesco Expresses and often these stores are all sited within a few hundred yards of each other.

Here - Hull - it's the other way round. Sainsbury bought up Jackson's, the local convenience store chain, about ten years ago. After a period of branding them as 'Sainsbury's at Jackson's' they've all just been turned into Sainsbury's Locals, albeit still with Jackson's old advertising on the walls:

Tesco have tried to get in on the act, but thankfully not by buying up any nice old buildings for conversion. Two of their stores in this part of town are purpose built - both on the site of old petrol stations - whilst the one on Newland Ave, just down from the picture above, is in a former carpet shop. Actually, I can't think of any former pubs that have been converted into shops round here, with the exception of a singularly crap one on Spring Bank which has turned into a computer shop.

 

[pogofish]

Yup - Both of them and M&S have targeted former petrol station/garage sites in this area as well some have kept the petrol, others not.

One aspect of the targeting of pubs here might just be that because of past planning policy, we have ended-up with an overconcentration of pubs in some areas and most recently a cap has been imposed on the total number of licensced places in the entire central area - so in order to open a new place in a better location, the pub/club owners have to take another place right out of use - the value of a pub with no license in an area with a glut of office space and limited demand for residential conversions cannot be high?

 

[William of Walworth]

IIRC one of the main reasons planners cave so easily to the supermarkets is that the supermarkets can afford to launch endless appeals against local councils, and councils get stuck with the exorbitant legal costs of these appeals. That money has to come from the local authority budget which would obviously be better spent elsewhere.

Most councils therefore just let the supermarkets build whatever they like because the only alternative is to be repeatedly dragged through the courts by the supermarkets, who will eventually win and build whatever they like anyway.

Local authorities are pretty toothless in these matters basically, the only thing that will be effective is local people boycotting the stores themselves.

Compeletely agree with everything in your post, just after my earlier one above -- Tesco (etc) have the intimidatory powers and that tescopoly site, among many others, have plenty of opinion on that.

To make it even worse though, there seem to be special weaknesses relating to change of use in planning in law, particularly change of use from pubs, with which CAMRA and others have big frustrations.

CAMRA's general guide to planning law with links
(possibly not all contents are 100% up to date they warn)

The link within the above to their Detailed Guide to Dealing with Planning Applications (pdf alert!) is the best link.

 

[William of Walworth]

Those Harris and Hoole places are springing up everywhere.

And yes, Tesco do indeed have a 49% share in H and H as confirmed here
More here as well.

 

[pogofish]

Councils are also at a disadvantage because of government targets for "Inward Investment" and the turnover of even a smallish convenience store can be a lot higher than any pub, so refusing applications can result in awkwardness over central government funding the next time round.

 

[William of Walworth]

Bumped because of this recent development re the power pubcos have had over landlords

(Thanks to Minnie in the Sun and Doves thread on the Brixton forum for alerting me to this, I'd have missed it otherwise)

 

[cybertect]

A couple in Sutton

The Angel which, just days after Tesco bought it, it mysteriously caught fire.

The Woodman has been 95% demolished (just the front wall remaining) in preparation for a Tesco Express.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

A couple in Sutton

The Angel which, just days after Tesco bought it, it mysteriously caught fire.

The Woodman has been 95% demolished (just the front wall remaining) in preparation for a Tesco Express.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Bumped because of this recent development re the power pubcos have had over landlords

(Thanks to Minnie in the Sun and Doves thread on the Brixton forum for alerting me to this, I'd have missed it otherwise)

But like the first comment mentions, bit too late for many

 

[Ponyutd]

Out here in rickmansworth way, The Happy man, mill end now a tesco express. Despite residents and shopkeepers protests, a few appeals and a
mystery fire. Beware also ricky high st the old clinton cards shop in the past 6-8 wks lots of activity, jack-hammers, hoardings lots of skips etc.
We now have a very twee looking cofee shop. Harris & Hool I think tesco backed. Just what we fechin need.
Also ponyutd in the film Genevieve where the car goes in the water splash, is outside my wee hoose.

*impressed*

 

[cybertect]

We now have a very twee looking cofee shop. Harris & Hool I think tesco backed. Just what we fechin need

49% owned by Tesco.

I'd never heard of them till today, but there's a piece in the Standard about why they accepted investment from Tesco - apparently because the banks failed utterly to come up with anything

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ps-but-the-values-are-down-to-us-8450751.html

 

[jamesontheroad]

Folks, based on all the contributions to this thread (unless I've missed any), I've compiled this Google Map. Let me know if anything is amiss; I'm including all pub > major chain supermarket conversions. Most are Tesco, but some are Sainsbury and at least one is a Lidl!

http://goo.gl/maps/uLWu0

 

[hiccup]

Folks, based on all the contributions to this thread (unless I've missed any), I've compiled this Google Map. Let me know if anything is amiss; I'm including all pub > major chain supermarket conversions. Most are Tesco, but some are Sainsbury and at least one is a Lidl!

http://goo.gl/maps/uLWu0

You could add The Spinning Wheel, W13, which is now a Sainsburys:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=22...=uk&ei=Aib4ULWZJs3a0QW2jYHABQ&ved=0CDIQ8gEwAA

Streetview: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=22...=sYT71PATELLnCad14gDpNA&cbp=12,80.31,,0,-2.34

 

[jamesontheroad]

You could add The Spinning Wheel, W13, which is now a Sainsburys

Cheers, now added.

 

[William of Walworth]

Excellent work james! Nice one

(And welcome to Urban, btw )

 

[Diddly Squat]

Delighted to have found this thread - I've started photographing these Tesco pubs as part of a bigger project about the reuse of buildings.

I can add two more to the list -

The Firs, Hellesdon, Norwich
The Dial, Dereham Road, Norwich

A third, the Ram in Brundall just east of Norwich is threatened with closure. There's a meeting in the local community next weekend to discuss Tesco's plans to re-activate an old unrealised planning application to extend it.

Is 'The Dial' the one on the corner with Heigham Road (was a car audio shop for a bit) ?

 

[jamesontheroad]

Excellent work james! Nice one

Thanks!

Is 'The Dial' the one on the corner with Heigham Road (was a car audio shop for a bit) ?

It's Dereham Road / Old Palace Road (which runs up to Heigham Street). No idea what it was before, I'm new here myself.

 

[Ned Kelly]

I remember being in rural Ireland as a kid, and the local pub doubled up as a convenience store. Maybe some of these failing pubs should think about it as well, jump the gun on tescos, with the added bonus you can have a cheeky pint once you've got your shopping

 

[kittyP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21196204

On the BBC website today and they are talking about the George 4th in Brixton at the beginning.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Folks, based on all the contributions to this thread (unless I've missed any), I've compiled this Google Map. Let me know if anything is amiss; I'm including all pub > major chain supermarket conversions. Most are Tesco, but some are Sainsbury and at least one is a Lidl!

http://goo.gl/maps/uLWu0

George IV on Brixton Hill is opening in a month's time as a Tesco

The Wheatsheaf in Tooting is being mentionedon another thread as a possible new Tesco

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Oh, looks like The Wheatsheaf may not be

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...ome-a-tesco-supermarket.313308/#post-12434490

 

[Leafster]

The Good Companions in Hamsey Green, the site of a double-murder http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2532423.stm and the start of an Urban walk (not on the same day, I should add!) is being turned into a Lidl.

They're on the point of knocking it down and replacing it with one of their warehouse-style buildings (or a shed as some people seem to be calling it!)

Having knocked the pub down ages ago, nothing has happened. I read somewhere that Lidl were going to resubmit an alternative plan to their "shed". I suspect it has something to do with the hostility they received about the original design.