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Agree, the kids mentioned above are no where near the standard the big 4 were back then
Yeah, but, who would be?! That we had these four all at once was something quite remarkable. Of all the greats that have come before - who Fed, Nadal and Djoko are all arguably better than - there was rarely four of them at their peak at the same time.

That's not to disagree there is/will be a dip, but that happens from time to time. Early 00s weren't a hotbed of supreme tennis, were they? (Question, not rhetorical! :D)
 
It's an amazing story. Four finalists all multiple slam winners, all over 30, three over 35, which is supposed to be too old, and who thought even one out of Venus, Federer or Nadal would make the final. Serena sure, but the other three?

As for final predictions, I can't see Serena not winning. I think I'll back Nadal, just cos he has historically had the edge over Federer.

Don't care who wins, though. Venus winning would be pretty extraordinary. Serena winning would set the record, which I think she deserves. And well, I thought Nadal and Federer were both past it, if I'm honest. What do I know?
I think the 4 finalists have about 60 Grand Slam titles between them (only counting the singles) it is unprecedented.
 
Yeah, but, who would be?! That we had these four all at once was something quite remarkable. Of all the greats that have come before - who Fed, Nadal and Djoko are all arguably better than - there was rarely four of them at their peak at the same time.

That's not to disagree there is/will be a dip, but that happens from time to time. Early 00s weren't a hotbed of supreme tennis, were they? (Question, not rhetorical! :D)
Between Sampras/Agassi peak and Federer/Nadal peak, there was a definite dip: looking at who was no. 1 in that interregnum, it switched hands regularly between the likes of Kuerten, Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero, Roddick, and a late-career Agassi. I put Murray clearly above all of those bar Agassi.

You're right, though. We've been spoiled. I want to continue being spoiled. :mad:
 
I'm wondering about federer comment at the end 'if I'm not back'. Retirement within the next 12 months? End on a high? Maybe after his home turf of wimbledon this year? Or carry on, hoping to get 19, 20, or whatever number of Majors!?

Nadal still has a few years left, I think he will surpass Sampras' Major haul.

I'm not sure if Novak is currently on course to surpass or match nadal/Sampras', let alone federer now.

Can't see this achievement being broken for an extremely long time.
 
As with The Office 'will there be a boy born who can swim faster than a shark':thumbs: 'will there be a boy born who is greater than His Highness Federer':thumbs:
 
I'm wondering about federer comment at the end 'if I'm not back'. Retirement within the next 12 months? End on a high? Maybe after his home turf of wimbledon this year? Or carry on, hoping to get 19, 20, or whatever number of Majors!?
There's one record Fed doesn't hold right now that he might fancy having a crack at, which is the oldest male player to win a slam. Ken Rosewall holds that one - he was 37 when he won (I think) the Australian. So that could keep him motivated for another couple of years.

And of course there's something else he's never done - which after today's win is at least a possibility - which is to win all 4 slams in a calendar year. Not very likely he can do that of course, but right now he's the only male player that can do it in 2017.
 
There's one record Fed doesn't hold right now that he might fancy having a crack at, which is the oldest male player to win a slam. Ken Rosewall holds that one - he was 37 when he won (I think) the Australian. So that could keep him motivated for another couple of years.

And of course there's something else he's never done - which after today's win is at least a possibility - which is to win all 4 slams in a calendar year. Not very likely he can do that of course, but right now he's the only male player that can do it in 2017.
There's another record up for grabs: the first man to have won every grand slam more than once. Thanks to Nadal's dominance on clay, everyone else is kind of short on French Open titles. Had Nadal won yesterday he would have grabbed that record. But since he hasn't, if Fed or Djoko win the French again, they'll get it. Murray needs to win it twice as he has no Roland Garros trophies to his name yet.
 
Rod Laver won all 4 twice - and he did it both times within the calendar year, in '62 and '69.
Oh... I've seen that record mentioned a fwe times in the papers recently. Could it be the first man in the Open era? When did the Open era start?

ETA: Yes, it is 'the first man in the Open era'. At least according to the papers.
 
Oh... I've seen that record mentioned a fwe times in the papers recently. Could it be the first man in the Open era? When did the Open era start?

ETA: Yes, it is 'the first man in the Open era'. At least according to the papers.
Yes, he'd be the first to win all 4 majors twice in the Open era - although Laver is still the only male player to do the calendar year Grand Slam in the Open era, in '69. His first Grand Slam in '62 was as an amateur. To do it once was a big deal, but to do it again 7 years later - 5 of which he was banned from playing the 4 majors after turning pro (though for good measure in that time he won the 'Pro Grand Slam' in '67) was just phenomenal. This is why many still regard him as the greatest ever - he ended up with 11 grand slam titles, but if he'd been able to play the majors in the 5 years he was on the pro circuit (which age-wise were the prime years of his career, from 23 to 30) he'd surely have won many more.
 
It's worth mentioning that when he won the French Open in 2016, Novak Djokovich became the first player since Laver to hold all 4 major titles at the same time. I personally don't see any reason why that should be regarded as an inferior achievement to a calendar year grand slam. And arguably that was a greater achievement than Laver's slam, because of the greater physical demands of the modern game, and also because Djokovich did his 'slam' on 3 different surfaces - back in Laver's day, there was only the French Open that wasn't played on grass.
 
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It's all kicked off in the Williams v Osaka US Open final :eek:
This is all because the umpire gave a code violation to Serena for coaching. A few games later Serena smashed her racquet and she lost a point as the result of another violation.

Serena then called the umpire a thief and the umpire has awarded a game to Osaka.

And now Osaka just won the match and the title :eek:
 
Real shame for Osaka. 20 years old, her country's first slam, playing against her hero... apparently the atmosphere is toxic, "boos ringing around the stadium" :(
I feel terrible for Naomi Osaka. She has just won her first Grand Slam title but is hardly celebrating due to the situation.

She hugs all of her team but there is no wide smile.
 
WTF did I just watch? Extremely unlike Serena to have such a meltdown. Even if the umpire was wrong to give her the (first) violation about the coaching, you just don’t lose your cool like that. Surreal stuff.
 
WTF did I just watch? Extremely unlike Serena to have such a meltdown. Even if the umpire was wrong to give her the (first) violation about the coaching, you just don’t lose your cool like that. Surreal stuff.
It is totally Serena to make it all about HER though. She brought that point deduction on herself out of sheer petulance by breaking her racket after losing her serve - which was nobody's fault but her own, it was an unforced error. The umpire then had no choice but to dock her a point, but then she wouldn't let it go and ramped it up by calling him a thief and a liar. She was totally out of order - and it was all because she was losing (badly) on the night when in her mind it was supposed to be all about her. Again.
 
He wasn't wrong tho!
So says Serena's coach:
Serena Williams' coach Patrick Mouratoglou has reportedly admitted to ESPN that he was coaching on court.

That was what started the whole situation.

That was when Serena Williams received her first violation in the match.
Serena Williams' coach Patrick Mouratoglouto reportedly told ESPN: "I was coaching but I don't think she looked at me. Her coach [Sascha Bajin] was coaching the whole time, too. Everyone is doing it 100% of the time. It is not a big deal breaking a racquet. She will struggle to get back from this."
If he copped to it then fair play, but then where does that leave Serena?
 
All a bit ugly. Unlike Serena to be like that and a shame it impacted on a massive win for Osaka (and Japan) so much. Have no doubt Serena will make peace off court.

Booing crowd was nasty. I get the patriotism and understand they could not see what was right/wrong but still mean.
 
So says Serena's coach:

If he copped to it then fair play, but then where does that leave Serena?
She’s not at fault but the rules still stipulate a code violation is due. But sportspeople get wronged all the time. A pro like her should keep their cool and carry on.

And she does not seem to understand the rules about coaching very well. At no point did the umpire suggest she was at fault. Indeed, as coaching can only travel one way, the player will by default not be the guilty party.

Her demanding of an apology from the umpire was cringeworthy, and unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes that players know but we spectators are unaware of, her claims that this would not happen to a male player seems highly unlikely to me.
 
Well, Serena's not having it:
On Mouratoglou saying he had coached Serena: “I literally just heard this. What’s he talking about? We don’t have signals. I’m trying to figure out why he would say that. I want to clarify myself what he said. I wasn’t being coached.”
 
She should have had a code violation for that ridiculous dress/tutu affair she was wearing!
 
I'm a big fan of Serena's but how she behaved was not acceptable. The umpire made a debatable call on coaching which Serena disagreed with but then after that she brought everything on herself with the meltdown.

Huge props to Osaka for keeping it together. I hope over the next few days she realises her achievement is forever, whereas the unpleasant award ceremony will fade.
 
More than a hint of do you know who i used to be towards the ump. Massive disrespect to Osaka made worse in ceremony.
 
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Williams had her chance when she was 3-1 up in the 2nd but then lost 3 games in a row. Osaka was solid throughout and was going to win anyway.
 
Awful display from Serena. There is precious little doubt that she is right, every coach coaches from their box, you can see them mouthing and gesticulating, so unless there is bloody good reason to think it is directly affecting the game, it should be ignored. Likewise men breaking rackets and arguing with the umpire is commonplace, regularly unpunished. Fuckssake, Kyrgios had the umpire came down and gave him a bloody pep talk to get back into the match. No one comes out of it with any glory.

Except for Osaka whose composure was magnificent.
 
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