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littlebabyjesus said:
It's worse than that. Murray should win now. That worries me. :D
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Well as you know, there are no guarantees, and there are several players still in the tournament capable of beating him if he's not on his A game and they play out of their skin. Wawrinka, Federer, Nishikori etc.
 
Cosmic said:
Well as you know, there are no guarantees, and there are several players still in the tournament capable of beating him if he's not on his A game and they play out of their skin. Wawrinka, Federer, Nishikori etc.
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What Murray has, and Djokovic had up to and including the French last year, is the ability to win the two or three crucial big points in close matches that decide the outcome. His semi-final at the World Finals against Raonic is an example. Djokovic used to win an awful lot of massively close matches - that's what made him so good, and it's the tiny edge that he now appears not to have. But Murray has it.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
What Murray has, and Djokovic had up to and including the French last year, is the ability to win the two or three crucial big points in close matches that decide the outcome. His semi-final at the World Finals against Raonic is an example. Djokovic used to win an awful lot of massively close matches - that's what made him so good, and it's the tiny edge that he now appears not to have. But Murray has it.
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Indeed, that ability to raise their game just when they need to on the big points. Nadal was very good at this against Federer. Becker would do this too, and would do things like recover from 0-40 down with 3 aces and 2 unplayable serves to win the point.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Is del Potro playing?

Here's a prediction for this year: if he stays fit, del Potro will win a slam. Maybe Wimbledon.
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I'm not sure, I haven't seen his name mentioned. He's always an injury worry for me but indeed, if he's on his game he can beat anybody. Dude is a badass when he's on song.
 
Cosmic said:
Indeed, that ability to raise their game just when they need to on the big points. Nadal was very good at this against Federer. Becker would do this too, and would do things like recover from 0-40 down with 3 aces and 2 unplayable serves to win the point.
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Yep, and when you lose it, it appears very hard to get it back. Nadal's lost it. Djokovic has lost it. Murray needs to keep riding that wave!
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Yep, and when you lose it, it appears very hard to get it back. Nadal's lost it. Djokovic has lost it. Murray needs to keep riding that wave!
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tbh, for me Andy hasn't quite reached the levels that Fed, Nadal and Novak have, he'll need a couple more Grand Slams under his belt. For mental toughness and sheer bloody minded refusal to lose attitude, Nadal at his peak had that, but his style of play is extremely taxing on the body and tbh I'm surprised that he managed to stay at the top for as long as he did. Quite remarkable. In second place I'd put Novak. Perhaps like someone noted earlier in this thread, the weight is off now that he's completed the career grand slam but his jump from being a very good player to almost being unbeatable was astonishing. Andy's progress has been a bit more gradual, but he is indeed right up with the best and his number 1 status is justified...for the moment. If he see this one through and executes well and then go on to get a career grand slam at the French, he'll then be up there with the greats.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Let's hope it's not wrist-related.
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Cosmic said:
tbh, for me Andy hasn't quite reached the levels that Fed, Nadal and Novak have, he'll need a couple more Grand Slams under his belt. For mental toughness and sheer bloody minded refusal to lose attitude, Nadal at his peak had that, but his style of play is extremely taxing on the body and tbh I'm surprised that he managed to stay at the top for as long as he did. Quite remarkable. In second place I'd put Novak. Perhaps like someone noted earlier in this thread, the weight is off now that he's completed the career grand slam but his jump from being a very good player to almost being unbeatable was astonishing. Andy's progress has been a bit more gradual, but he is indeed right up with the best and his number 1 status is justified...for the moment. If he see this one through and execute well and then go on to get a career grand slam at the French, he'll then be up there with the greats.
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I agree. We're being really harsh here, but to totally fulfill his career, Murray does need more slams. Atm he has the same number as Wawrinka, which will be a bit of a travesty if it remains that way. He's miles better than Wawrinka.

The extraordinary stats for me come from the Masters 1000 series. There are nine of them every year, and since 2009, no player other than Fed, Nadal, Djoko and Murray has won more than one of them. Those four have all won double-figure numbers. Murray does deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the other three.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I agree. We're being really harsh here, but to totally fulfill his career, Murray does need more slams. Atm he has the same number as Wawrinka, which will be a bit of a travesty if it remains that way. He's miles better than Wawrinka.

The extraordinary stats for me come from the Masters 1000 series. There are nine of them every year, and since 2009, no player other than Fed, Nadal, Djoko and Murray has won more than one of them. Those four have all won double-figure numbers. Murray does deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the other three.
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I don't really follow much outside the Grand Slams and view the other "lesser" ATP's as warm up tournaments. The Slams is where it's at, and that's where the men get separated from the boys, where your mental strength and character are tested as well as your physical ability.

Andy is currently deffo 4th place in the top four players of the current era and unless he plays consistently unbelievable tennis for the next 18 months or so I think 4th is going to be as good as it gets. He just happened to be playing at a time when there were 3 other outstanding players around, getting in the way, who all now have a career grand slam under their belts. If Andy does manage that then yes he can be mentioned in the same breath, but for the moment he's not quite a proper "great" yet, but agree that he's better than Wawrinka.
 
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littlebabyjesus said:
Is del Potro playing?

Here's a prediction for this year: if he stays fit, del Potro will win a slam. Maybe Wimbledon.
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He's 'not fit enough,' apparently. Still on a come back, he has a major in him, but it will take a fair bit of luck.

Djokovic is still returning from injury too, but it's more the desire that seems to be lacking. Understandable at the Olympics, maybe, but not here. Not sure whether I want him to find it again or not. With him out of the way, Murray really should win everything for the next two years (tho he obviously wont), but it wouldn't be quite the same.
 
belboid said:
He's 'not fit enough,' apparently. Still on a come back, he has a major in him, but it will take a fair bit of luck.

Djokovic is still returning from injury too, but it's more the desire that seems to be lacking. Understandable at the Olympics, maybe, but not here. Not sure whether I want him to find it again or not. With him out of the way, Murray really should win everything for the next two years (tho he obviously wont), but it wouldn't be quite the same.
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Murray needs to beat Fred Perry and his 10 majors to be a British legend. He would then need to out-major Federer, Nadal and Djokovic to be a world legend
 
So...

...Andy's comfortably beaten the man who knocked out Novak at Wimbledon, so appears to be chugging along nicely.

Fed express breezed past the dangerous Berdych and will be up against Nishikori the winner of that potentially facing Murray in the quarters.

Rafa fought his way through against the up and coming teenager Zverev and plays Monfils next round. That should be interesting.

I'm not as interested in the womens game, but Konta demolishing former number one and Rory's ex, the Woz 6-3, 6-1 :eek:
We could have a Brits winning both singles titles. Sir Andy Murray, and Lady Konta?
 
Oh well that's the end of that then...

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...can't see him getting a career grand slam now tbh.

The tournament is wide open now. Fed and Rafa must think they have a good chance to add to their Grand Slam tally.
 
Six out of the eight semi-finalists in the singles over 30. Two of them over 35. Isn't there a separate oldies tournament for them?

A nadal fed final would be awesome.
 
Are these streamed anywhere proper beyond the illegal sport streaming sites? i quite fancy catching some of these finals
 
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