The Dominic Cummings file
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Am sure Keith will be forensic about it
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
One of them is telling lies about the piles of bodies thing
If Cummings lies at the inquiry he could face prison, so if Johnson maintains that he is truthful in that he didn't say it he should be asked if he will instruct the police to act should Cummings repeat the claim in a committee...
If Cummings lies at the inquiry he could face prison, so if Johnson maintains that he is truthful in that he didn't say it he should be asked if he will instruct the police to act should Cummings repeat the claim in a committee...
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
The "Piles of Bodies..." thing is a bit of a zinger, because it's so specific. Specificity matters. Imagery matters. David Mellor will be immortal because of the Chelsea strip detail.
OTOH...It doesn't seem that far gone from the "dead in a ditch" comment about extending the Brexit deadline. It's fairly harmless Boris hyperbole, ironically, with the greatest actual political/media weight.
That said, I'm still
at all of this. All of the shots have plausible 'get outs' that may just exhaust the probing.
Dyson cronyism was an effort to maximise ventilators - which isn't the most Trumpian re-framing required to defend it.
And even when out-and-out bad shit is revealed (e.g. Jenrick and the Desmond tax dodge), the answer is "80-seat majority mate, you can all go fuck yourselves". Or Liz Truss tells us the money came from Boris's bank account (i.e. and not the donor directly...FFS)
Will Gove and his slug army be our saviour at de-Johnstoning ourselves? Can he be the right's Gordon Brown (infinitely capable of executing, though just doesn't jive with the general public).
OTOH...It doesn't seem that far gone from the "dead in a ditch" comment about extending the Brexit deadline. It's fairly harmless Boris hyperbole, ironically, with the greatest actual political/media weight.
That said, I'm still
at all of this. All of the shots have plausible 'get outs' that may just exhaust the probing.Dyson cronyism was an effort to maximise ventilators - which isn't the most Trumpian re-framing required to defend it.
And even when out-and-out bad shit is revealed (e.g. Jenrick and the Desmond tax dodge), the answer is "80-seat majority mate, you can all go fuck yourselves". Or Liz Truss tells us the money came from Boris's bank account (i.e. and not the donor directly...FFS)
Will Gove and his slug army be our saviour at de-Johnstoning ourselves? Can he be the right's Gordon Brown (infinitely capable of executing, though just doesn't jive with the general public).
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
I was chatting with a friend who said that he still supported Johnson even though he recognises that Johnson is a liar, a cheat, and a misogynist.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh, liars, cheats and misogynists need all the support they can get.
ska invita
back on the other side
I'll guess, he voted for brexit, is generally a tory voter and hates Corbyn .
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The pile of bodies thing is another mountain out of a molehill, even if he actually said it and the only evidence is the word of that well-known champion of truth, fairness and equity Blind Dominic, it's pure hyperbole. It's something he said at a meeting not official govt policy.
Hell I hate the fucker and would love to see the back of him but even I think people demanding answers over that are just making themselves look desperate for something to pin on him.
Blind Dominic is clearly bearing a massive grudge (good) but there also seems to be too many people trying to discredit BoZo over trivial things and it just won't work.
He is popular and trying to pin petty things on him is just going to backfire on those doing it without affecting him at all.
The thing is though is that he is the ultimate egotistical schoolboy twat, convinced of his own innate superiority, leave him be and sooner or later he will do something so serious that even from within his own party (the only opinions that currently matter) the pressure will get to the point where he has to resign but all these petty attempts to bring him down in the meantime are probably going to bore people and increase his chances of getting away with something more serious.
Hell I hate the fucker and would love to see the back of him but even I think people demanding answers over that are just making themselves look desperate for something to pin on him.
Blind Dominic is clearly bearing a massive grudge (good) but there also seems to be too many people trying to discredit BoZo over trivial things and it just won't work.
He is popular and trying to pin petty things on him is just going to backfire on those doing it without affecting him at all.
The thing is though is that he is the ultimate egotistical schoolboy twat, convinced of his own innate superiority, leave him be and sooner or later he will do something so serious that even from within his own party (the only opinions that currently matter) the pressure will get to the point where he has to resign but all these petty attempts to bring him down in the meantime are probably going to bore people and increase his chances of getting away with something more serious.
ska invita
back on the other side
It's not petty, its life or death serious
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yep, all of this. And just to add, the absence of a functioning opposition increases the chances johnson will get away with all of this. I hate going on about 'narratives', but in politics that what opposition parties are about building. A genuine story about corrupt governments, but amped up into a political 'discourse' (dammit, another bingo card hit). They need a rock solid political take that johnson's lot are dishonest crooks, that means every further example slots into a ready made groove. You also need a complete bastard to deliver that line (Blair + Alistair Campbell managed it of course). Starmer's just a failed flag shagger.The "Piles of Bodies..." thing is a bit of a zinger, because it's so specific. Specificity matters. Imagery matters. David Mellor will be immortal because of the Chelsea strip detail.
OTOH...It doesn't seem that far gone from the "dead in a ditch" comment about extending the Brexit deadline. It's fairly harmless Boris hyperbole, ironically, with the greatest actual political/media weight.
That said, I'm still
Dyson cronyism was an effort to maximise ventilators - which isn't the most Trumpian re-framing required to defend it.
And even when out-and-out bad shit is revealed (e.g. Jenrick and the Desmond tax dodge), the answer is "80-seat majority mate, you can all go fuck yourselves". Or Liz Truss tells us the money came from Boris's bank account (i.e. and not the donor directly...FFS)
Will Gove and his slug army be our saviour at de-Johnstoning ourselves? Can he be the right's Gordon Brown (infinitely capable of executing, though just doesn't jive with the general public).
Edit: sorry, forensic besuited failed flag shagger.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Badly phrased
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
He voted remain, but is a Tory voter. He lives in Surrey.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
'Bodies could pile high' is quite different from the original 'I'd rather bodies piled high than lock down again' though isn't it.
I'd guess he did say something along those lines but although it's not a great look he'll be able to shrug it off as a discussion about risks rather than something as blunt as originally reported.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It's a remark he made in a meeting, no matter how tasteless or offensive anyone found it, it's still just something he said in a meeting. Unless he then added OK this is policy let's do this then it isn't something that will stick or be used against him
Actually yes you're right, it does come across as that doesn't it?
elbows
Well-Known Member
The reason other media are now running that story it is that there are multiple sources.
For example this is how Peston describes the matter:
The truth about Boris's 'bodies pile high in their thousands' comment
There is an incredible amount of hysteria and noise being generated by the conflict between Boris Johnson and his former chief aide, Dominic Cummings. So maybe it is useful for me to share what I know about three big claims: 1) The charge that Prime Minister did say he would rather see ‘bodies...
www.spectator.co.uk
I am not very happy with the way the BBC are trying to describe the quote at the moment, they've tried to take much of the sting out of it via the word 'could'.
gosub
~#
I was voicing my surprise to my brother last night about why, when the government engages in open grift on a daily basis, it's who pays for the redecoration of the Prime Minister's official residence that looks like it has the best chance of doing some actual damage. He thinks it's because it's relatable (I suppose this is one of the reasons the expenses scandal was so damaging too) - that the intricacies of healthcare procurement are not something many people have much of a handle on, but we all know about redecorating.
I was wondering if the Carrie Symonds angle might also be part of it's popularity - there has been a strong narrative of Symonds is a controlling scheming bitch emerging over the last year or so, and this story feeds directly into that...
I was wondering if the Carrie Symonds angle might also be part of it's popularity - there has been a strong narrative of Symonds is a controlling scheming bitch emerging over the last year or so, and this story feeds directly into that...
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Whats Corbyn got to do with anything ?
whatever it is, it's corbyn's fault...
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
It's hard to argue that you needed to throw procedure out of the window to get things done in an emergency when that thing involves some nice new wallpaper and Farrow and Ball paint isn't it. Even for the biggest apologist out there there's no public benefit angle to be spun there.
gosub
~#
Only people I hear referencing Corbyn in the last year have been leftists
I wouldn't call Starmer a leftist.
"That money was just resting in my account."
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i'm sure i've seen one or two centrists saying that the reason the labour party is so far behind in the polls (still) is corbyn's fault
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes it is
He should never have appointed keir starmer to the shadow cabinet, making it harder for him to be elected leader
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