The best burger in the world has been announced - and it's meat free

[littlebabyjesus]

Ah the old proof by dictionary.

 

[killer b]

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amazingly, a word - or even a fragment of a word - can come to mean something different with the passing of a century or so.

 

[Orang Utan]

"hamburger" is the U.S. word for the whole thing though (burger, bun, salad, relish or whatever). "burger" is just the beef (though over there it's a "beef patty").

there's something horrible about the word 'patty'

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions in a sesame seed bun.

I think it's safe to say that the class "burger" generally doesn't necessarily involve beef or any meat. I think it does have to involve a solid flattish lump of some sort of substance, be that mince, soya, nuts, beans, whatever mix. A steak or a mushroom or a carrot in a bap is not a burger.

 

[joustmaster]

Ah the old proof by dictionary.

not to prove that a burger has to have meat. but to prove that the name comes from a meat based snack from some city, not just from some city.

 

[fredfelt]

Refusing to accept that textured and moulded soya and fungus deserves to pass itself off as sausages or bacon is hardly puritanical.

Your comment reveals a misunderstanding about vegetarian food. Any cook creates their food to taste good, rather than resembling the taste of meat.

 

[killer b]

not to prove that a burger has to have meat. but to prove that the name comes from a meat based snack from some city, not just from some city.

no-one has disputed that.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Your comment reveals a misunderstanding about vegetarian food. Any cook creates their food to taste good, rather than resembling the taste of meat.

So why do supermarkets and the Linda McCartney empire insist on marketing "veggie burgers" and "veggie sausages" instead of speaking proudly about their "moulded fungus surprise"?

 

[joustmaster]

no-one has disputed that.

And given the etymology of the word burger in fact comes originally from hamburger, not beefburger, the beef only argument rather falls apart.

 

[killer b]

ah, yes. apart from there.

 

[Gromit]

Who were the other competitors?
Who were the judges?
What was the judging criteria?
How many rounds did the burgers have to go through before taking the title?
Is this a unified world title or is there another cook off scheduled to put this beyond doubt?
Are we comparing the burger pound for pound with burgers in different weight categories?
Will we have debates about how this burber would have fared against legendary but retired burgers from different eras?

 

[Mogden]

My point was to say that given the origins of the word came from a city, after all the burg part is the key here, a burger is not restricted to a beef content and I don't think there was much of a veggie crowd in the 1600s so it has come to cover all manner of protein based bun fillers.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

so it's not a burger, same way veggie haggis is not haggis, and veggie sausages are not sausages.

i think burger is a very flexible term. sausage i find slightly less flexible but i still understand vegi sausages. Fucking veggie haggis? haggis? not on.

What next vegi black pudding?

 

[Orang Utan]

i think burger is a very flexible term. sausage i find slightly less flexible but i still understand vegi sausages. Fucking veggie haggis? haggis? not on.

What next vegi black pudding?

already done

 

[fishfinger]

What next vegi black pudding?

vpud

 

[wtfftw]

I'd prefer there to be veggie black pudding. And white pudding tastes pretty veggie to me.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

i think burger is a very flexible term. sausage i find slightly less flexible but i still understand vegi sausages. Fucking veggie haggis? haggis? not on.

What next vegi black pudding?

i googled it. there is of course vegitarian black pudding

jesu fucking wept

I'm now tempted to try it just to see what it's like.

 

[Gromit]

Are their any well known dishes that traditionally contain no meat where the name doesn't list what veg is in it?

e.g. Lasagne (you can say beef lasagne but you don't need to, it will be presumed to have beef in it unless specified otherwise)

 

[wtfftw]

Risotto.

 

[killer b]

Vegetarian haggis and black pudding are the only things I can think of that explicitly attempt to ape the flavour and texture of the meat originals and actually make a decent go of it.

 

[Orang Utan]

Risotto.

rice

 

[wtfftw]

rice

Rice isn't a vegetable. And anyway, it's in Italian.

 

[Orang Utan]

Rice isn't a vegetable. And anyway, it's in Italian.

cos it's italian! i was trying to think of indian dishes but they also name the veg

 

[wtfftw]

cos it's italian! i was trying to think of indian dishes but they also name the veg

is also frequently meat or fish.

I've changed my answer to arancini.

 

[mr steev]

So why do supermarkets and the Linda McCartney empire insist on marketing "veggie burgers" and "veggie sausages" instead of speaking proudly about their "moulded fungus surprise"?

There is more to veggie food than Linda McCartney and Quorn (which are both marketed at 'meat-reducers' just as much as veggies. Quorn particularly) I guess you've never heard of a spicy bean burger, or a carrot and corriander burger?

And as for them having to be made from beef, I don't hear people deriding pork burgers or chicken burgers

 

[Orang Utan]

is also frequently meat or fish.

I've changed my answer to arancini.

yeah, i don't think they ever have oranges in them.

 

[Ax^]

vpud

 

[joustmaster]

There is more to veggie food than Linda McCartney and Quorn (which are both marketed at 'meat-reducers' just as much as veggies. Quorn particularly) I guess you've never heard of a spicy bean burger, or a carrot and corriander burger?

And as for them having to be made from beef, I don't hear people deriding pork burgers or chicken burgers

Earlier I mentioned that I'd stretch to any minced meat forming a burger.
Thats what I think a burger is. A patty of meat.

A chicken breast in a bap isn't a burger. Minced chicken could be.

When in a Stockholm restaurant, I order a burger. I got a braised slice of beef.
It was nice.
But it wasn't a burger.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Earlier I mentioned that I'd stretch to any minced meat forming a burger.
Thats what I think a burger is. A patty of meat.

A chicken breast in a bap isn't a burger. Minced chicken could be.

When in a Stockholm restaurant, I order a burger. I got a braised slice of beef.
It was nice.
But it wasn't a burger.

Fascinating stuff.

 

[killer b]

You don't get to decide what words mean though, grandad.