Supine
Newt Member
Have you tried sticking a swab in a handrail or button?
Not my job but surface swabbing is a well developed science. It ain't all tonsils and noses!
The actual covid risk on public transport
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Not my job but surface swabbing is a well developed science. It ain't all tonsils and noses!
Where is it said surfaces are not a vector. Seems dubious
teuchter
je suis teuchter
As I understood it, surfaces are thought to be a vector but a much less significant one than was assumed at the beginning of the outbreak.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I put this on the unlockening thread too, but wondered if it is interesting to contemplate in the context of the fact that inner london has the highest level of public transport use and outer london the lowest.
(First map, covid prevalence rates, second map, London mapped by public transport accessibility level)
(First map, covid prevalence rates, second map, London mapped by public transport accessibility level)
teuchter
je suis teuchter
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Why would you bring a map of the current prevalence rate to this thread? Surely you should start with total cases?
It's fruitless in any case because there are so many other variables that you'd need to control for in order to spot an actual link by looking at maps.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
For sure, what can be drawn from it is very limited. All I'd say is: my observation is that public transport in inner London is now being used fairly widely (unlike during the first lockdown).
How widely? Is it standing room only?
Worth noting that getting on a relatively clear tube for an 8 minute ride lasting three stops is not really comparable to sitting on the same (packed) commuter train for an hour. I’d take my chances with the former but on the latter, if one person has it, we all have it. So there’s public transport and there’s public transport.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
For the most part no, I don't think so. Although there are some trains/buses that I've been on where there are enough seats taken that I've chosen to stand.
I wouldn't get on a packed train for an hour either. I'm not trying to argue that public transport is risk free or anything like that.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I wonder if it's spread from one member of staff, to others (who may all have regular contact with each other at the depot) or whether multiple staff have caught it from passengers whilst on trains.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Yeah I wonder too. I suppose a train manager walking the length of a train is gonna contact a lot of people.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but very very rarely for any length of time
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
A coach must surely be one of the worst possible modes of transport for virus spreading - long journey, tightly packed, small space, terrible ventilation... I suppose people don't move around that much within the coach but with that length of time I doubt it matters.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Most of them don't seem to be doing that at the moment though. Generally staying in their compartment or at one end of the train and avoiding contact with passengers.
The fact they mostly seem to be all based at the same depot suggests to me that that's probably where the transmission took place.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that doesn't sound like a fact to me
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
oh god I'd managed to go weeks without hearing the name Grant Shapps
teuchter
je suis teuchter
From what I read elsewhere it appears that about 10% of staff based at Plymouth are off with Covid compared with 2.5% across GWR as a whole, which suggests to me a concentration around a certain work base.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Lucky you; he started the test and release scheme two days ago to cut quarantine for UK arrivals to 5 days. In spite of having weeks to sort it out, they announced the details 2 hours before it went live, including that you can only test at one of 11 designated centres, who were also only informed 2 hours before it started. One centre pulled out of the scheme after a couple of hours when they had received >10,000 enquires. Heathrow has large test centres at terminals 2 and 5, naturally they are not on the list of approved centres...
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I've been taking the train from Barnes to Waterloo and back since late August (apart from during lockdown 2) - and I've only had to sit next to someone once in all that time. I feel pretty safe tbh.
I've avoid the tube where possible, but then I always did anyway.
I've avoid the tube where possible, but then I always did anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They mostly seem to be all based
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's good to see you are keeping yourself amused.They mostly seem to be all based
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You're very funny with your so-called facts
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Have been doing some house decorating in south-east London lately and get the suburban train out around 11am. Few people on board at the time and a small sprinkling of gormless fucks, pricks and wanks who don't wear masks. I won't get the train back any time near rush hour and prefer the 8 mile walk to Kings Cross via Old Kent Road, East Street, Elephant, Blackfriars. Some cafes on Old Kent Road are heaving with people.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
GWR long distance trains work out of various depots - having previously worked for the company who built and serviced those trains there are definitely depots in Bristol, Swansea, North Pole. I can't remember if there was one in Plymouth though, I think the ones I mention are the biggest.
