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editor said:
I'm trying to establish your relationship with a group that harasses, slurs, defames, upsets and hounds 7/7 survivors and their families.

So, will you answer the question please?
I attended a book launch. Is that permitted?

See how easily we can be made to take rumour and gossip for fact?
 
Oh for fucks sake, just ban the cunt, do we have to have all this introspective bullshit every time a clearly obsessed conspiranoid pops up???

Ban them permanently, and don't give a fuck what they think, plenty of other websites out there for this deceitful conspiracy bollocks...
 
editor said:
And don't forget to produce the proof of your emphatic 'Photoshoppery' claim and explain the significance of the white bag/trousders, please, because it's lost on me.
Especially as those two photos were taken on different days - why would he not be wearing different clothing?
 
I attended a book launch. Is that permitted?

See how easily we can be made to take rumour and gossip for fact? says Prole ( unaware of the irony in her taking this position!)




Prole's mates discussing how to hi-jack Milan Lai's book launch which was atteneded by survivors and the driver of the Piccadilly train.

Good work gents, I hope the London crew put this piece of shit straight about things, seems to be 'willfully' ignorant like team rachil.
I beg those in London to hijack this fool's meeting and use it to disseminate what we know


Includes posts by Prole, who attended said booklaunch.

A report of the loons disrupting the book launch, which Prole attended, and with whom Prole sat. After the meeting, which was repeatedly disrupted by the people with whom Prole was sitting (and whose thread discussing how to disrupt the meeting and pass round leaflets alleging a
''false flag'' operation and exonerating the bombers can be seen above , linked) Prole came up to me with one of the leaflets, and introduced herself . The leaflet was full of conspiracy theories identical to those which Prole espouses on this board and the repeated Prole-phrase ''Release the evidence!'' It included links to the website julyseventh.co.uk - which she co-runs and which she has claimed as her own in a post on this site!

There you go, caught you Prole. Now sod off.
 
Prole said:
I attended a book launch. Is that permitted?
So you have no association and no contact with the campaign group whatsoever, yes?
Prole said:
See how easily we can be made to take rumour and gossip for fact?
No idea what you're on about, I'm afraid.

But talking about facts, have you got the proof of your 'Photoshoppery' claim yet please?
 
Prole said:
I attended a book launch. Is that permitted?

See how easily we can be made to take rumour and gossip for fact?

Your own blog details the calls and letters you have sent to officials, slowing up the investigative process - I see you as merely getting in the way of any investigation, and frustrating attempts by survivors who need answers to get to the truth.

Plus you cherrypick the facts to suit your amateur sleuth scenarios, and really your investigative skills are seemingly derived from a Nancy Drew novel.

You're upsetting BK, who has been posting here way before you, and that's enough for me to support your being permanently banned.
 
Prole said:
Now show us the evidence. The CCTV images from Luton and London that the report says they have. It's the only way a possible miscarriage of justice will be averted. I am not saying these 4 men didn't do it, I'm saying one dodgy image from Luton 30 miles from London can surely not suffice as judge and jury. It's the only way truth and justice for each and everyone of us can be ensured. Simple really isn't it.

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:D Best nutter on Urban, ever!

Well maybe not as good as Windsor, but pretty close!:p
 
Prole, do you not think it is possible that the bombers took the train at 07.25 and arrived at 08.23 ?
 
editor said:
Indeed. Have you checked this Prole?

And don't forget to produce the proof of your emphatic 'Photoshoppery' claim and explain the significance of the white bag/trousers, please, because it's lost on me.
Read the official report into 7th July, it's available from the HO website.

Tanweer is caught on CCTV at 4.54 arguing over change at a service station, he is wearing white tracksuit bottoms.
7.21.54 Tanweer is now wearing dark tracksuit bottoms. There is no explanation for this change at present.

Th white carrier bag in Lindsay's hand can be seen in both the images from 28/6 and 7/7.

Check yesterday's Independent and tell me if you can't see a bar through Khan's head and body (it's very clear in the photo in the official report on p.4)
 
Anyone else want to discuss these bullshit amateur Cluedo "theories" - use the relevant phone number to get through to whichever conspiranoid fuckwit is helping to spread them:

Mobile: 07815 653389
 
TAE said:
Prole, do you not think it is possible that the bombers took the train at 07.25 and arrived at 08.23 ?
Why doesn't the official report say that then? Surely when the police went to interview commuters and check CCTV from the platforms they would have to know which train they caught.

7.40 the London KX train leaves Luton. (from the official report)
 
So you have no association and no contact with the campaign group whatsoever, yes?


She is completely part of the disruptive campaign group, see here . She can wriggle all she wants, but the proof is provided in my post above.


She only posts on 7/7 threads and she is part of a group that disrupts book tours, upsets survivors and peddles crap exonerating mass-murderers, so I call her a troll.
 
Badger Kitten said:
I attended a book launch. Is that permitted?

See how easily we can be made to take rumour and gossip for fact? says Prole ( unaware of the irony in her taking this position!)




Prole's mates discussing how to hi-jack Milan Lai's book launch which was atteneded by survivors and the driver of the Piccadilly train.




Includes posts by Prole, who attended said booklaunch.

A report of the loons disrupting the book launch, which Prole attended, and with whom Prole sat. After the meeting, which was repeatedly disrupted by the people with whom Prole was sitting and whose thread discussing how to disrupt the meeting and pass round leaflets alleging a
''false flag'' operation and exonerating the bombers, Prole came up to me with one of the leaflets, and introduced herself . The leaflet was full of conspiracy theories identicla to those which Prole espouses on this board and the repeated Prole-phrase ''Release the evidence!'' It included links to the website julyseventh.co.uk - which she co-runs and which she has claimed as her own in a post on this site!

There you go, caught you Prole. Now sod off.

And a quote from me on that board please? Please don't make me responsible for what others post on boards. I am not part of a group or gang.
 
That's proof enough for me, certainly.

Prole is lying about her involvement with some shitheaded wannabe Bergerac society, and is picking and choosing facts to support her ludicrous theories.

Conspiranoids in action.

This is how it works, Jazzzzbot...
 
I thought this thread was to discuss the official report into the events of 7th July?

That is what I have tried to engage in.

I'll quite happily leave you guys to get on with your discussions or you can ban me. You choose.
 
Mornin' all...

Meanwhile the fruitloops have successfully distracted attention from the big, stinking lie (of omission) in the report.

It would be rather relevant to an understanding of the bombers' motivation to know that "al-Qaeda" was originally funded and armed by the USA, either directly or through its pals in Pakistan's ISI, would it not?

But no, they'd rather argue on the basis of:

  • a cut-and-paste of an email from a person who may no longer be contactable, onto a differently-sane website;
  • a bald assertion by someone determined to show a conspiracy that it is impossible to get from the entrance of Luton station to the platform in "less than three minutes" - whereas a poster to these boards, who indicated that they started out rather wanting to believe a conspiracy, took the trouble to go to Luton with a stopwatch and time themselves doing it in 1m30.

E2A: What this attention to tiny textual detail and wilful neglect of the world demonstrates is that we have a revival of Mediæval Scholasticism on our hands.
 
Prole said:
Tanweer is caught on CCTV at 4.54 arguing over change at a service station, he is wearing white tracksuit bottoms.
7.21.54 Tanweer is now wearing dark tracksuit bottoms. There is no explanation for this change at present.
I could think of one. He changed into more comfortable trousers. Or maybe he pissed himself.
Prole said:
The white carrier bag in Lindsay's hand can be seen in both the images from 28/6 and 7/7.
So fucking what?!! I carry a plastic bag whenever I go shopping. What is this supposed to prove please?
Prole said:
Check yesterday's Independent and tell me if you can't see a bar through Khan's head and body
And? So?
 
Prole said:
And a quote from me on that board please? Please don't make me responsible for what others post on boards. I am not part of a group or gang.

You contribute to a thread about hijacking and disrupting a book launch. You attend it with a leaflet peddling conspiracy theories and a link to a site which you run, which you give to me when you introduce yourself. You sit with the people who are heckling and denying that the bombers bombed the trains, the people who plotted to disrupt the meeting and who do, in fact, disrupt it repeatedly. You expect me to think that actually you disapprove of what they did? Oh please. Was it you who heckled ''Rachel needs to get her facts straight''? I can't tell. But to deny you had anything to do with the group who disrupted that meeting is deceitful. You are all over that board and you are part of that group. You sat with them on the row comprised exclsuively of people intending to disrupt the meeting, who handed out the same leaflet as you, with linkes to YOUR site on it.


Or are you denying that now, that some of them have been found to be Holocaust-deniers? And abusive to me and Milan Rai? And have been writing to my father, and leaving comments such as '' Why are you lying - show the proof the bomber blew himself up, you can't, bitch'' on my blog and sending emails to me that contain similar sentiments?

You keep some lovely company, don't you? I suggest you publicly distance yourself from such people and don't attend meetings with them and sit next to them and hand out leaflets with them and post on their websites agreeing with them, if you don't want to be tarred with the same brush.


Deceiful AND cowardly, I see. And pathetic.
 
Prole said:
Why doesn't the official report say that then?
Perhaps they never checked it. Like I said - they even got the YEAR wrong, in the letter to Blair.


Please answer my question - do you think it is POSSIBLE that they took the earlier train.
 
Prole said:
I thought this thread was to discuss the official report into the events of 7th July?

That is what I have tried to engage in.

I'll quite happily leave you guys to get on with your discussions or you can ban me. You choose.

Fuck off then. You clearly have no empathy with the frustrating situation the victims of the attacks find themselves in when officials and cops have been badgered by idiots already convinced that it was some kind of "black ops" mission.
 
I love the way an "explanation" is needed for someone changing their trousers after a long drive and the failure of the state to provide this 'explanation' is seen as proof of a conspiracy.
 
Badger Kitten said:
And have been writing to my father, and leaving comments such as '' Why are you lying - show the proof the bomber blew himself up, you can't, bitch'' on my blog and sending emails to me that contain similar sentiments?
Send me the IP details from your blog and I'd be happy to check for you, if you like.
 
I hate the way an explanation is needed to ban people who have been causing people with genuine reason to investigate 7/7 absolute misery from posting here!
 
editor said:
I could think of one. He changed into more comfortable trousers. Or maybe he pissed himself.

Look I dont subscribe to these theories (and I generally dont post on them) but it seems some people throw the baby out with the bath water on certain questions which appear on face value worth looking at. The danger is that if people rubbish everything these people have to say that they might miss some important snippets of information.

Your reply to this is a perfect example. There might well be a very good reason to change his trousers (if he did so) but to say he wanted to be "more comfortable" before he blew himself up into a million pieces seems flippant and somewhat irrational.
 
Why? He might have washed himself,to purify himself and put on clean clothes, ready for his journey to Paradise. It makes sense to me. He'd been up since 3am and driven from Leeds in a pair of sweats, more comfortable to change into a fresh pair to meet your maker.

There's lots of frustrations with the narrative, but there is no doubt in my mind that the bombers killed themselves and so many others with home-made suicide bombs.
 
Barking_Mad said:
Your reply to this is a perfect example. There might well be a very good reason to change his trousers (if he did so) but to say he wanted to be "more comfortable" before he blew himself up into a million pieces seems flippant and somewhat irrational.
I'd say it's slightly more irrational to cite the fact that a bloke changed his trousers after a drive as some sort of evidence of a murderous conspiracy involving hundreds of people and the slaughter of innocents.

I mean, what's the point being made here? So he changed his trousers. So fucking what?!!!

Think Occam's razor.
 
When I saw that highlighted in the report I thought "someone's feeding the trolls".

Not proof of a conspiracy to feed the conspiranoids - more likely an office bet.
 
editor said:
Send me the IP details from your blog and I'd be happy to check for you, if you like.

Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately the remarks were made a while back so site meter doesn't have the IP anymore, but if they post again with similar shit I'll capture it and send it over for comparison.
 
Prole said:
I thought this thread was to discuss the official report into the events of 7th July?

That is what I have tried to engage in.

I'll quite happily leave you guys to get on with your discussions or you can ban me. You choose.

Well, it's actually called a "narrative" and not a report, secondly this thread was started to discuss the narrative not drag in all sorts of conspiracy-laden crap to prop up a series of half-baked speculations on CCTV camera footage, the identity of the bombers and their imagined hiding places.

Romanus IV Diogenes was captured by the Seljuk Turks, released and returned to Constantinople where he was deposed and brutally blinded. It happened and there was no CCTV to record it.
 
Barking_Mad said:
Look I dont subscribe to these theories (and I generally dont post on them) but it seems some people throw the baby out with the bath water on certain questions which appear on face value worth looking at. The danger is that if people rubbish everything these people have to say that they might miss some important snippets of information.

Your reply to this is a perfect example. There might well be a very good reason to change his trousers (if he did so) but to say he wanted to be "more comfortable" before he blew himself up into a million pieces seems flippant and somewhat irrational.


I think he washed himself, and got his trousers wet.
 
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